WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:01.840 But let me introduce the rest of the guests. 00:02.020 --> 00:08.040 So we have Joseph Matheny, who is an artificial intelligence programmer 00:08.040 --> 00:15.280 and software engineer par excellence, as well as absolutely brilliant mind. 00:15.420 --> 00:21.520 He's written a time travel cult novel called Ong's Hat, 00:22.220 --> 00:25.160 which many people, at least the people listening in, 00:25.160 --> 00:30.580 who are sort of aficionados of the whole time travel sector 00:30.580 --> 00:33.960 and have been for years, will know about Ong's Hat. 00:34.640 --> 00:40.080 Joseph Matheny is also, I like to say, an expert on the occult. 00:40.760 --> 00:43.380 And I can say that Peter Moon is as well. 00:43.560 --> 00:45.320 Peter Moon is also on the call. 00:46.340 --> 00:47.960 Because here was my question about this. 00:48.040 --> 00:51.500 I mean, after my working on this book and writing all this, 00:51.500 --> 00:53.500 I don't... 00:53.500 --> 00:55.000 Do you think that the past... 00:55.160 --> 01:00.760 The past can be changed because it doesn't seem like anybody that's dealing with this stuff 01:00.760 --> 01:02.220 seems to think it can be. 01:02.360 --> 01:02.960 Any opinions? 01:05.450 --> 01:06.490 Do I have opinions? 01:06.710 --> 01:11.050 Well, in working a lot with people from Lawrence Livermore 01:11.050 --> 01:13.750 and a lot of quantum physicists, cast mathematicians, 01:14.270 --> 01:15.710 different people that I hang out with, 01:16.130 --> 01:17.810 there's varying opinions on that. 01:18.170 --> 01:22.330 Probably the highest percentage of people will tell you that it would seem, 01:22.330 --> 01:26.330 nobody will say is or isn't because they're very precise about... 01:26.790 --> 01:30.510 Sticking to E prime when they're talking about these things because, as you know, 01:30.510 --> 01:34.570 tomorrow everything could go out the window and what you think is true is not true anymore 01:34.570 --> 01:36.270 because the models consistently change. 01:36.610 --> 01:36.810 Okay. 01:37.250 --> 01:40.990 But it would seem that the highest percentage of people that you would ask in the field 01:40.990 --> 01:47.570 would tell you that it's most likely that the past cannot be changed. 01:47.570 --> 01:52.490 However, there's a lot of different competing theories about why that is. 01:53.170 --> 01:56.070 And, in fact, we're talking about time wave zero tonight. 01:56.790 --> 02:01.750 Terence McKenna and myself and some other people have, or had, Terence had, 02:01.870 --> 02:04.390 but, you know, we continue to have, some of us, 02:05.090 --> 02:12.610 an opinion that 2012 is really a marker for when time travel will be proven to be possible 02:12.610 --> 02:17.330 and, therefore, a marker for when people from the future can come back to the past. 02:17.330 --> 02:22.870 And, again, this is, you know, I'm not saying that this is absolute, but this is a theory. 02:23.690 --> 02:26.770 And so that it could be some sort of hard stuff. 02:26.790 --> 02:28.010 That happens at 2012. 02:28.750 --> 02:32.550 And beyond 2012, that's when we start to see people coming from the future 02:32.550 --> 02:38.570 because the question is if time travel is possible and we think it's going to be developed in the future, 02:38.910 --> 02:39.610 where is everybody? 02:40.610 --> 02:43.250 Well, then let me ask this question because I knew, you know, I knew Terence. 02:43.910 --> 02:47.870 I grew up in Atherton, which is just over the Santa Cruz Mountains from where Terence was in Half Moon Bay. 02:48.530 --> 02:50.870 And, you know, we used to go visit Terence and all of my mother would say, 02:50.950 --> 02:54.610 don't you dare eat the desserts at Terence's house because, you know, he'd come back, well, like never. 02:55.330 --> 02:56.250 So, yeah. 02:56.790 --> 03:03.650 And we did an interview with Terence back when I worked on Sightings, actually way long ago, back in 92, I think it was. 03:04.070 --> 03:10.350 And in the interview on Sightings, you know, he talked about the time wave zero being based on the I Ching 03:10.350 --> 03:14.670 and that basically that the – he said two things that I think were interesting and I want your opinion on. 03:15.390 --> 03:20.490 He talked about – and this was back in 90 – late 91, early 92 when he said this. 03:20.490 --> 03:26.490 He said that December 3rd of 2011 was the – 03:26.790 --> 03:27.950 Are we coming back? 03:29.250 --> 03:29.890 Here we go. 03:30.210 --> 03:31.270 Okay. All right. Stand by. 03:31.790 --> 03:36.810 The program in the galaxy, weeknight, 7 to 9 p.m. Pacific time with your host, Sean David Morton. 03:38.110 --> 03:44.030 Where I studied with one person in particular who made a giant impression on me and that was Ralph Abraham. 03:45.070 --> 03:48.450 And through Ralph, I got involved in something called the Formless Ocean Group, 03:48.450 --> 03:56.750 which was a salon in Santa Cruz that included a rotating cast of members like Timothy Leary, Terence McKenna, Robert Anton Wilson, 03:57.210 --> 04:00.830 Ralph Abraham, a bunch of other people, including myself. 04:00.970 --> 04:06.730 And I was kind of this little puppy sitting on the sidelines in awe of all these people having these phenomenal conversations 04:06.730 --> 04:09.770 and interjecting when I could, when I felt like I could. 04:11.310 --> 04:16.250 And, you know, and through that, honestly, it never took a computer science course in my life. 04:16.250 --> 04:23.390 I started to work with computers in the 80s to help myself with calculations and mathematics. 04:24.450 --> 04:26.250 And because I know mathematics, I took – 04:26.790 --> 04:28.130 I took to software very quickly. 04:28.130 --> 04:35.290 I understood how it worked and started working in Silicon Valley because I was there at the ascension of the whole Silicon Valley thing 04:35.290 --> 04:41.350 because I was living in Santa Cruz at the time and started working at major software firms and startups and all this stuff. 04:41.350 --> 04:48.030 But I like to – people always ask me and they assume that my college days was computer science and it wasn't. 04:48.030 --> 04:50.570 I haven't had a single computer science class in my life. 04:51.170 --> 04:54.710 So that's how all this came together. 04:54.710 --> 04:56.210 You heard my grandfather being – 04:56.210 --> 05:00.850 the influence and the one responsible for introducing me to the occult and anarchistic 05:00.850 --> 05:06.810 thinking and free thinking. Computer science came out of an interest in mathematics, which 05:06.810 --> 05:12.110 really came out of an interest in ontology and philosophy. And I just happened to be in Santa 05:12.110 --> 05:15.650 Cruz at the right place at the right time. And all these people were kind of converging 05:15.650 --> 05:21.290 as the rave culture was emerging and the internet culture was emerging. And they were all kind of 05:21.290 --> 05:27.310 huddled around the warm light of this truly creative center that I haven't found anything 05:27.310 --> 05:34.170 like it since. But Santa Cruz in the late 80s to the mid-90s was a phenomenal epicenter of thinking 05:34.170 --> 05:39.470 where some of the greatest minds in the world were... Well, a good example, I met Jaron Lanier, 05:39.470 --> 05:44.630 who was the guy who created virtual reality, basically, as a busker on the street in Santa 05:44.630 --> 05:49.690 Cruz playing a guitar for change. Again, a guy who's never had a computer science class in his 05:49.690 --> 05:51.130 life, and he went on to create VR. 05:51.290 --> 05:57.530 I just have to break in here because I was in Santa Cruz at that time, too. 05:57.530 --> 06:01.370 You were? See what I mean? I run into people all the time, and they're like, 06:01.370 --> 06:02.030 I was in Santa Cruz at that time. 06:02.030 --> 06:06.290 Only geniuses were there. No, just kidding. Okay, that's pretty funny. 06:06.290 --> 06:11.250 You know what was happening? There was something, because I came all the way from Chicago to go 06:11.250 --> 06:16.130 there, and I didn't even know why, but there was something that was happening. It was an epicenter 06:16.130 --> 06:20.530 of a giant cultural explosion that we're still feeling the ripples of. And anybody who was 06:20.530 --> 06:21.270 anybody that had... 06:21.270 --> 06:25.510 had any kind of sensitivity and any kind of creativity was drawn there like a moth to the 06:25.510 --> 06:26.270 flame. I really... 06:26.270 --> 06:30.270 You guys are a bunch of stone savage hippies all living in the trees there. Come on. 06:30.270 --> 06:32.770 Well, I'm sorry. The drugs were good. I forgot about that part. 06:32.770 --> 06:33.270 Well... 06:33.270 --> 06:36.510 Wait, wait. Here's my question. Let me go back to the train that we were riding before. 06:36.510 --> 06:37.030 Right. Yeah. 06:37.030 --> 06:37.770 So here's my question. 06:37.770 --> 06:41.570 We have to bring this some more up to date, though, Joseph Matheny, because I need you to 06:41.570 --> 06:46.870 talk a little bit more about who you are and who you became after that. 06:46.870 --> 06:48.970 Oh, my God. 06:48.970 --> 06:49.770 OMS hat. 06:49.770 --> 06:50.510 Do you want to go with that or...? 06:50.510 --> 06:56.510 The OMS hat thing really, and I don't want to get into detail on that, but the OMS hat 06:56.510 --> 06:59.670 thing really came out of that period of time in Santa Cruz when I was hanging out with 06:59.670 --> 07:04.910 all those people that I mentioned who were phenomenal influences. I became great friends 07:04.910 --> 07:10.450 with some people like Nick Herbert and Sarfati and all these people that were these physicists 07:10.450 --> 07:16.810 that were also acid head hippies. So they were in it for more than just the pure mathematics 07:16.810 --> 07:19.510 and physics. They really had a mystical influence. 07:19.510 --> 07:20.510 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 07:20.510 --> 07:21.510 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 07:21.510 --> 07:23.710 It was all in a mystical interest in the universe. So it was easy to talk to them on 07:23.710 --> 07:30.210 all different kinds of levels, but out of that came this thing, OMS hat, which the way 07:30.210 --> 07:34.950 that I put that together, I decided because I was an early internet or bulletin board 07:34.950 --> 07:41.850 system adopter. I decided that I wanted to advance literature into the new format of 07:41.850 --> 07:50.510 computers and networking. Again, I don't want to get into it, it could take me hours. Basically, I came up with a new 07:50.510 --> 07:55.510 way to present stories and write stories on the internet. There's been an academic study 07:55.510 --> 08:01.030 that's just been released on that. If anybody is interested, it's called Meds and Tripping, 08:01.570 --> 08:08.170 colon something, something the search for wrongs had. It's such a long title. It's a textbook 08:08.170 --> 08:13.150 that's being used by mythology and comparative religion classes across the nation right now. 08:14.030 --> 08:19.390 A couple of really good reviews of it, Chronicle of Higher Education 08:19.390 --> 08:26.890 and the Journal of Folklore Studies did really good reviews of it. Go out there and get it. 08:28.050 --> 08:32.650 Basically, it just talks about what I did with Ongsat and how I did it more than anything. 08:33.670 --> 08:39.470 But it does take place in New Jersey and it does involve going to a second earth. 08:40.530 --> 08:46.290 It involves that and it also involves some of the same stuff that the Montauk Project was involved 08:46.290 --> 08:49.270 in, which is why Peter and I came together. I didn't know Peter, 08:49.390 --> 08:55.390 before I did that, but the reason we came together is somehow we met on the internet 08:55.390 --> 08:58.890 and we started to compare notes and realized that some of the stuff that was going on in 08:58.890 --> 09:04.150 the Montauk Project was similar to the legends of Ongsat, which is based on a real urban legend. 09:04.150 --> 09:10.370 There were black projects that were happening in World War II and a lot of scientists were going 09:10.370 --> 09:16.210 off base and off campus and proceeding with these projects once the budgets got cut. That's what the 09:16.210 --> 09:18.950 story of Ongsat is really about. It's about interdimensional travel. 09:20.150 --> 09:25.010 But there were enough similarities between what we were reading there and what I was reading in 09:25.010 --> 09:27.190 the Montauk Project and this is how Peter and I became friends. 09:27.190 --> 09:32.890 So, in a nutshell, that's basically it and I have done a bunch of artificial intelligence stuff. 09:32.890 --> 09:35.730 If you go to Google patents and type in my name, you'll see some of that stuff. 09:38.330 --> 09:43.010 Again, I don't think of myself as an artificial intelligence designer or programmer because 09:43.010 --> 09:48.210 that was all a tool to get to what I was really after, which was with the Ongsat Project. 09:48.210 --> 09:48.930 If you read legend tripping, you'll know where it was. 09:48.930 --> 09:49.350 If you read legend tripping, you'll know where it was. 09:49.390 --> 09:53.770 find out what I was really after was looking at this giant repository of 09:53.770 --> 09:57.610 information that was continually growing every day called the internet which was 09:57.610 --> 10:02.830 fairly new in 1995 and looking at that as a resource for an artificial 10:02.830 --> 10:07.930 intelligence to gather and collate and using some of the methods that Brian 10:07.930 --> 10:11.390 Geisen and William Burroughs used with the cut up this was a more advanced 10:11.390 --> 10:14.230 method of that so that I could have a conversation with what Terence would have 10:14.230 --> 10:17.890 called the other and Burroughs and Geisen called the third mind that's 10:17.890 --> 10:21.490 really what it was about that's that's what I was out wow and I'm just still 10:21.490 --> 10:27.930 trying to figure out how to just put my book on Kindle and then pick up where we 10:27.930 --> 10:33.010 left off where Joseph Matheny was talking behind the scenes before we 10:33.010 --> 10:38.710 started the introductions yeah I mean Sean had asked me a question so Sean you 10:38.710 --> 10:42.110 know knowing knowing Terence I didn't I didn't hang out with him a lot but he 10:42.110 --> 10:46.630 did come to our fog groups fairly regularly like every couple couple times 10:46.630 --> 10:47.850 a year 10:47.850 --> 10:51.550 and I had conversations with him about timewave zero because I was into the 10:51.550 --> 10:56.370 eating at the time and you know as you know Terence and even Terence admitted 10:56.370 --> 11:01.670 that his his opinions about things would change over time so the the tipping 11:01.670 --> 11:05.010 point thing I think is is pretty evident though if you look around at 11:05.010 --> 11:08.610 what's going on right now December definitely was a tipping point for 11:08.610 --> 11:14.010 something and what Terence what Terence said in the interview just refresh your 11:14.010 --> 11:17.250 memory as he said and this is what was so interesting he said December 3rd of 2011 11:17.850 --> 11:21.230 it's back in 91 remember he said December 3rd of 2011 was gonna be 11:21.230 --> 11:29.230 the final Fibonacci wave helix of the Itching of the timewave zero software and 11:29.230 --> 11:31.870 he didn't mention this but I kept thinking why the hell is December 3rd 11:31.870 --> 11:36.590 such a big deal and why does it have to do with December 21st well you know if 11:36.590 --> 11:39.750 you do you know a little red you know it's too bad they don't teach 11:39.750 --> 11:45.550 recreational mathematics anymore but it's exactly 385 days from December 3rd 2011 11:45.550 --> 11:55.090 2011 to December 21st of 2012, which is exactly a 13-month lunar year up until December 21st of 11:55.090 --> 12:00.270 2012. And this was the final unraveling. And of course, then, you know, this was in the interview 12:00.270 --> 12:04.910 in 91, when he was showing all the spikes, and he was saying that then, on this date, 12:05.570 --> 12:12.010 there's a novelty wave that stretches into infinity that is greater than the sum total 12:12.010 --> 12:14.990 of all these other novelty waves combined. And we're talking about the rise and fall of the 12:14.990 --> 12:18.270 Roman Empire, and First World War, Second World War, American Revolution, French Revolution, 12:18.430 --> 12:24.030 blah, blah, blah. And the question was then asked, what the hell? What happens, Terrence? 12:24.070 --> 12:28.270 And Terrence, you know, literally, his eyes just lit up, and his hair was on fire, and who knows 12:28.270 --> 12:32.390 what he was on at that time. But he's just like, the only explanation I have is that we learned how 12:32.390 --> 12:38.650 to travel through time. And that was pretty much the end of the interview, because he showed the 12:38.650 --> 12:43.890 spike where this spike just goes into singularity, where it literally just, I mean, it goes, he says 12:43.890 --> 12:44.790 it goes into infinity. 12:44.990 --> 12:54.790 And this is where the I Ching that started in like 5130, 5130 BC with Emperor Wen, for all intents 12:54.790 --> 13:01.390 and purposes, ends. So that's pretty scary. And at the same time, we have everything else looking 13:01.390 --> 13:06.310 to this, and we do have some evidence that the actual Mayan calendar ended on October 28th of 13:06.310 --> 13:13.430 2011. But what that ended was the nine waves of creation. And now we seem to be in a gestation 13:14.990 --> 13:18.770 where we're just kind of like the baby in the womb, that's like absorbing all this information. And you guys 13:18.770 --> 13:25.330 who do Time Wave Zero, the first big ratchet of the Time Wave Zero that then is a series, and I've never 13:25.330 --> 13:29.090 seen anything like it, because everything else has been these kind of spikes, and it looks like 13:29.090 --> 13:35.170 kind of stalagmites. We coming up? But what happens now on February 8th and 9th, is you have the 13:35.170 --> 13:41.170 first plateau of something that happens on February 8th and 9th, you know, literally next week. All right, 13:41.210 --> 13:43.070 stand by, and then we'll take it from there. 14:08.480 --> 14:22.290 Outside the space-time continuum, your ongoing mission to defend the multiverse from all threats, 14:22.890 --> 14:27.190 foreign and domestic. However, if you'd be so kind as to leave a lingual symbolic sonic 14:27.190 --> 14:31.730 communication with your current numeric quantum time-space coordinates, we will be happy to 14:31.730 --> 14:34.750 respond to your transmissions for health, assistance, instruction, and evolutionary 14:34.750 --> 14:39.150 advancement as soon as we return to this vibrational frequency that you humans call 14:39.150 --> 14:43.650 the present. Beep! Welcome back to Strange Universe. This is Sean David Morton. We've got 14:43.650 --> 14:47.670 fantastic people online here. We've got Joseph Matheny. We still have that 14:47.730 --> 14:53.090 burning question for Joseph about, you know, we're at the tipping point where, you know, the 14:53.090 --> 14:59.550 TimeWave Zero software starts losing its mind next week, like next Wednesday, next Wednesday. 14:59.850 --> 15:05.230 Something weird is going to happen next week, because now, from everything I can see from 15:05.230 --> 15:10.370 studying the TimeWave Zero stuff way back when I bought my first Mac Classic, and I got this from 15:10.370 --> 15:15.310 Terrence, and I was running it on those programs, and so I've been, you know, love that software. 15:16.810 --> 15:17.690 Now it appears... 15:17.730 --> 15:24.510 that the TimeWave Zero software, Joseph, is now getting to the point where instead of doing these 15:24.510 --> 15:30.450 spikes, you know, we've been on this real... we had a huge novelty wave between April 15th and May 15th, 15:30.450 --> 15:37.070 and we had, you know, Donald Trump accusing Barack Obama, then Obama putting out another birth certificate, 15:37.070 --> 15:41.750 you know, that most people think is fake, and then we had Kate and William getting married, which 15:41.750 --> 15:46.810 three and a half billion people watched on April 30th. Then we had the, you know, Osama bin Laden, 15:46.810 --> 15:53.310 supposedly killed again for the tenth time, and so all these weird things happened, and then we've been in this 15:53.310 --> 16:01.090 really sort of long kind of downward spiral here. Now, the spike starts happening next, as I said, February 8th and 9th, 16:01.090 --> 16:07.570 something very strange happens, where it appears as though that these blocks or plateaus occur, constantly building, 16:07.570 --> 16:13.230 where it looks as though things that took... this is how I interpret it, and I'd like your opinion on it. 16:13.850 --> 16:15.450 The things that... 16:16.810 --> 16:25.870 take the human race hundreds of years to learn, you know, decades to learn, lifetimes, years even, now seem to be 16:25.870 --> 16:33.950 that there's a global enlightenment of, oh, that's so 12 seconds ago, that we're about ready to, I don't know, 16:33.950 --> 16:39.410 learn a series of global lessons in a quantumly short period of time, and that this builds and builds and builds 16:39.410 --> 16:42.270 until December 21st. Any ideas? 16:42.270 --> 16:46.810 Yeah, this is not a new concept. It's not... it's not unique to Time Wave Zero. 16:46.810 --> 16:54.450 The novelty factor was described by a lot of people, probably most recently, Robert Anton Wilson called it the jumping Jesus factor. 16:54.450 --> 17:02.490 Well, you know, he said you can use anything for a unit of measure you want to, so he decided to take the 2,000 years since the birth of Christ 17:02.490 --> 17:09.990 and use that as a Jesus factor. He called it one factor of Jesus. And in... from the birth of Christ to, you know, 2,000 years later, 17:09.990 --> 17:16.250 and he just kind of quantified it into, you know, how much... how much novelty and information is compressed 17:16.250 --> 17:16.790 into the world. And so, you know, it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a... 17:16.810 --> 17:18.270 into shorter and shorter increments of time 17:18.270 --> 17:25.350 as we move along the timeline. And this is a... this is, you know, a provable and observable fact of human life. 17:25.350 --> 17:32.890 However, I think that the... what Time Wave Zero, and a lot of other things are pointing towards, is not a scary thing. 17:32.890 --> 17:38.290 It's actually an enlightening thing, and I'm finding it very hopeful. And what I'm looking at is... 17:38.290 --> 17:46.250 Well, let's put this into a context. What we've been living under since Babylon, or we could even say the tail end of 17:46.250 --> 17:50.950 to Samaria when we came out of being nomadic hunter-gatherers without calendars and clocks 17:50.950 --> 17:58.570 and all this periodicity and synchronicity that we live with, time was more of a fuzzy 17:58.570 --> 18:00.750 concept. 18:00.750 --> 18:06.190 I think we're going back into a time period soon where time will become more of a fuzzy 18:06.190 --> 18:10.890 concept and concepts will become fuzzier and our acceptance of fuzzier concepts will become 18:10.890 --> 18:11.890 wider. 18:11.890 --> 18:16.790 I think one of the emerging factors that points to that, and everybody may groan when I say 18:16.790 --> 18:22.110 this, but if you look at the Occupy Movement, one of the biggest complaints by the old guard 18:22.110 --> 18:26.090 was that they didn't have an agenda or a clear agenda. 18:26.090 --> 18:30.290 Anybody who was in their 20s in the Occupy Movement said, we don't need a clear agenda 18:30.290 --> 18:33.990 because there's a lot of things, and we're talking about a gestalt here, we're not talking 18:33.990 --> 18:37.250 about one or five issues. 18:37.250 --> 18:41.630 This is the type of thinking that we're moving into, which is literally moving back towards 18:41.630 --> 18:41.890 the type of thinking that we're moving into, which is literally moving back towards the 18:41.890 --> 18:45.870 type of nomadic hunter-gatherer thinking that we had before we got into this. 18:45.870 --> 18:50.770 Citadel living, industrial living, all this stuff that has to do with clocks and calendars 18:50.770 --> 18:52.950 and cutting things into ... 18:52.950 --> 18:53.950 We're going to come back here. 18:53.950 --> 18:54.950 All right. 18:54.950 --> 18:55.950 Okay. 18:55.950 --> 18:56.950 Sorry. 18:56.950 --> 18:57.950 Thank you. 18:57.950 --> 18:58.950 Finish that sentence, Joseph. 18:58.950 --> 18:59.950 Okay. 18:59.950 --> 19:00.950 Hold on. 19:00.950 --> 19:01.950 Here we go. 19:01.950 --> 19:02.950 We're coming back. 19:02.950 --> 19:03.950 You can finish your sentence here. 19:03.950 --> 19:14.410 C to C from planet to planet and star to shining star from out of the night and into the light. 19:14.410 --> 19:15.410 Two. 19:15.410 --> 19:21.750 Strange universe, the glass plus for the windows of your soul, bringing you 16.4 billion years 19:21.750 --> 19:22.750 of evolution. 19:22.750 --> 19:27.590 Two hours of listening to Strange Universe is worth at least a four-year education at 19:27.590 --> 19:28.650 a public university. 19:28.650 --> 19:34.570 This is the man so nice, they named him thrice, the man whose blood smells like cologne, the 19:34.570 --> 19:39.010 man whose pheromones that he secretes affect people miles away, even through the internet 19:39.010 --> 19:40.770 in a slight but measurable way. 19:40.770 --> 19:42.770 It's me, Sean David Morton. 19:42.770 --> 19:44.150 Welcome back to all of this. 19:44.150 --> 19:51.470 Once again, my guests, Kerry Cassidy, Joseph Matheny, Peter Moon of the Montauk Books, 19:51.470 --> 19:55.590 Greg Hallett, once again, who looks like he's hiding out in a Russian prison somewhere, 19:55.590 --> 19:58.650 and the lovely Project Camelot, Kerry Cassidy. 19:58.650 --> 20:05.150 Again, if you're on live stream with us as well, we were talking to Joseph Matheny about 20:05.150 --> 20:10.390 the question I asked him was that, once again, the TimeWave Zero software, which Terence 20:10.390 --> 20:12.150 McKinnon's ... Basically, it was his effort of taking the I Ching and processing it. 20:12.150 --> 20:13.150 I'm sorry. 20:13.150 --> 20:14.150 I'm sorry. 20:14.150 --> 20:17.370 I was just processing it through a computer, and it came out with a series of novelty spikes 20:17.370 --> 20:18.370 and waves. 20:18.370 --> 20:21.710 One of the interesting things about this is that the first of the main blocks of the 20:21.710 --> 20:26.930 final TimeWave Zero software seems to occur next February 8th and 9th, and something amazingly 20:26.930 --> 20:30.670 novel is going to occur in that period of time. 20:30.670 --> 20:34.190 Joseph, if you can just complete your thought about, that it's not a new concept, you were 20:34.190 --> 20:39.550 saying that not really a new concept about that we learn quicker and the time is beginning 20:39.550 --> 20:40.550 to shift. 20:40.550 --> 20:42.150 You want to complete your thought on that? 20:42.150 --> 20:43.150 Yeah. 20:43.150 --> 20:47.630 software or in computer hardware, specifically with processing power, you see that we have 20:47.630 --> 20:52.910 these exponential jumps. But what I was getting to, and I'll just do a quick summation, 20:53.490 --> 20:59.330 is what Time Wave Zero is describing and what Terrence and other people were describing is 20:59.330 --> 21:05.190 they're trying their best to put into a mathematical, precise, and even linguistic 21:05.190 --> 21:10.790 language something that comes from the mythopoetic realm. So it's not going to be a precise concept 21:10.790 --> 21:14.750 that they're trying to describe. And Terrence even expressed frustration with trying to English 21:14.750 --> 21:21.290 these things, as he called it. So we can't, and again, what I was getting at was we are moving 21:21.290 --> 21:28.030 from a time where we have the fake, the artifice of overlay that calendars are. Calendars are an 21:28.030 --> 21:31.730 artifice, right? And that's why we have leap years, and that's why we have all these fudging that we 21:31.730 --> 21:36.330 do with zero and all these different things. Calendars are an artifice, so we can't really 21:36.330 --> 21:40.770 stick to, on this day, at this time, something's going to happen precisely because, from 21:40.770 --> 21:45.050 the mythopoetic realm, we got this information because, from the mythopoetic realm, the thing 21:45.050 --> 21:50.370 it's describing could take anywhere from three days to ten years, but it's somewhere in that 21:50.370 --> 21:57.770 period of time, in a fuzzier logic sense, that we're describing these things. Okay, and all right, 21:57.770 --> 22:01.410 we're going to jump again. Actually, Peter, did you want to comment on any of that? Peter Moon? 22:01.410 --> 22:11.420 You're talking about linear. I mean, that's linearization. You know, Terrence is trying to 22:11.420 --> 22:11.460 describe it in a linear way. I mean, that's linearization. You know, Terrence is trying to 22:11.460 --> 22:12.220 describe it in a linear way. I mean, that's linearization. You know, Terrence is trying to 22:12.220 --> 22:18.680 describe it in a linear fashion, and Joe's basically saying it's not linear. It's nonlinear, 22:18.680 --> 22:27.040 and go off into a whole other... Well, I think what's also happening, too, that, again, it 22:27.040 --> 22:32.140 seems as though we're moving out of some kind of neural dampening field, that the promise 22:32.140 --> 22:38.240 of 2012 is that now we're finally getting the veil removed from the right-hand side 22:38.240 --> 22:41.920 of the brain, which, for all intents and purposes, is the left-hand side of the brain, which 22:41.920 --> 22:43.680 we know as the Western male dominance. 22:43.680 --> 22:47.080 Male dominance side of the brain is really only good for measuring things. It's height, 22:47.220 --> 22:52.700 width, breadth, a linear measurement of time, mathematics, geometry, space, judgment, if you 22:52.700 --> 22:56.720 will, which is very masculine and very Western. You know, the Western aspect is that something 22:56.720 --> 23:01.120 only exists if you have a machine that has the capability to measure it, and the better our 23:01.120 --> 23:06.020 machines get, the more our universe begins to expand. However, in the right-hand side of the 23:06.020 --> 23:10.340 brain, that we jokingly call the passive-feminine-submissive side of the brain, if you 23:10.340 --> 23:13.660 will, that part of the brain thinks in terms of symbolism. That's the right-hand side of the brain. 23:13.680 --> 23:18.700 Symbols, archetypes, dance, music, artistic expression, visual and visual expressions, 23:18.700 --> 23:24.660 it's literally the alphabet and writing that killed the goddess, because we used to tell 23:24.660 --> 23:29.340 stories through all those mediums. And now, one of the things in the superior interior 23:29.340 --> 23:33.160 section of the brain that things like remote viewing and intuition, whatever, taps into, 23:33.160 --> 23:37.520 taps into a quantum level of time, where the past, present, and the future are very much 23:37.520 --> 23:42.360 happening all at once. So the idea behind all of this, the whole mind core synthesis 23:42.360 --> 23:43.660 of all this one life has purpose, all this other life has purpose, all this other life 23:43.680 --> 23:50.580 has got is love, is that this right-hand side of the brain opens up, that we start becoming 23:50.580 --> 23:55.980 more like what Joseph was talking about with all those hippie savages that were living 23:55.980 --> 24:02.060 up in the trees in Santa Cruz, that they were literally mathematicians and scientists 24:02.060 --> 24:06.460 and computer experts, but they were using hallucinogens to actually open up this side 24:06.460 --> 24:13.460 of the brain to take it beyond whatever it is to the next step or the next level. 24:13.680 --> 24:21.780 I think it goes beyond that, too. Through the obsessive-compulsive quantifying that we've 24:21.780 --> 24:27.740 done with the scientific era that we've been in for, you know, forever how long, at least 24:27.740 --> 24:33.420 since the Greeks, one of the things that we've finally got to through the quantification 24:33.420 --> 24:39.140 process is getting to the minutia and realizing that the minutia is not quantifiable. It's 24:39.140 --> 24:43.680 very fuzzy. And one of the things that, you know, this is the first time that I've been 24:43.680 --> 24:47.380 doing this, and I think this points out is, let me break it into a different language. 24:47.380 --> 24:50.440 I mean, you're an intuitive, I believe, right? Isn't that what I heard? 24:50.440 --> 24:51.440 Yes. 24:51.440 --> 24:56.480 Okay. So then you know this, like, let's talk about 2012, the phenomena, rather 24:56.480 --> 25:02.420 than 2012, the date. And when we talk about 2012, the phenomena, that maps more into how 25:02.420 --> 25:08.540 I perceive reality. And I think you probably as an intuitive do, too. An event actually 25:08.540 --> 25:13.480 is a gradient, and it's not a dot on a line. The dot on the line is an artifice that we've 25:13.680 --> 25:18.800 done for the purpose of quantifying. And what we've done, unfortunately, over the 25:18.800 --> 25:25.240 last several thousand years, is we've bought the map that we've sold ourselves as the territory. 25:25.240 --> 25:29.480 And now I think what we're going to be forced to do is we're going to go back to recognizing 25:29.480 --> 25:33.260 the territory, and the map is a map, and the territory is a territory. And we're going 25:33.260 --> 25:39.320 to move back into this new way of thinking, which if you look at what the internet actually 25:39.320 --> 25:43.440 does to people, it forces people into a nomadic country. 25:43.440 --> 25:46.480 A nomadic country gatherer state of mind, because that is what you are on the internet. 25:46.480 --> 25:48.040 You're a nomadic country gatherer of information. 25:48.040 --> 25:52.880 Wow. Interesting. And as Lord Nelson said, the map is not the territory. 25:52.880 --> 25:55.480 The menu is not the meal. Yeah. 25:55.480 --> 25:57.200 Exactly. Exactly. So, Terri, let's get back to – 25:57.200 --> 25:58.880 I love it. Okay. Let's get back to –