But let me introduce the rest of the guests.
So we have Joseph Matheny, who is an artificial intelligence programmer
and software engineer par excellence, as well as absolutely brilliant mind.
He's written a time travel cult novel called Ong's Hat,
which many people, at least the people listening in,
who are sort of aficionados of the whole time travel sector
and have been for years, will know about Ong's Hat.
Joseph Matheny is also, I like to say, an expert on the occult.
And I can say that Peter Moon is as well.
Peter Moon is also on the call.
Because here was my question about this.
I mean, after my working on this book and writing all this,
I don't...
Do you think that the past...
The past can be changed because it doesn't seem like anybody that's dealing with this stuff
seems to think it can be.
Any opinions?
Do I have opinions?
Well, in working a lot with people from Lawrence Livermore
and a lot of quantum physicists, cast mathematicians,
different people that I hang out with,
there's varying opinions on that.
Probably the highest percentage of people will tell you that it would seem,
nobody will say is or isn't because they're very precise about...
Sticking to E prime when they're talking about these things because, as you know,
tomorrow everything could go out the window and what you think is true is not true anymore
because the models consistently change.
Okay.
But it would seem that the highest percentage of people that you would ask in the field
would tell you that it's most likely that the past cannot be changed.
However, there's a lot of different competing theories about why that is.
And, in fact, we're talking about time wave zero tonight.
Terence McKenna and myself and some other people have, or had, Terence had,
but, you know, we continue to have, some of us,
an opinion that 2012 is really a marker for when time travel will be proven to be possible
and, therefore, a marker for when people from the future can come back to the past.
And, again, this is, you know, I'm not saying that this is absolute, but this is a theory.
And so that it could be some sort of hard stuff.
That happens at 2012.
And beyond 2012, that's when we start to see people coming from the future
because the question is if time travel is possible and we think it's going to be developed in the future,
where is everybody?
Well, then let me ask this question because I knew, you know, I knew Terence.
I grew up in Atherton, which is just over the Santa Cruz Mountains from where Terence was in Half Moon Bay.
And, you know, we used to go visit Terence and all of my mother would say,
don't you dare eat the desserts at Terence's house because, you know, he'd come back, well, like never.
So, yeah.
And we did an interview with Terence back when I worked on Sightings, actually way long ago, back in 92, I think it was.
And in the interview on Sightings, you know, he talked about the time wave zero being based on the I Ching
and that basically that the – he said two things that I think were interesting and I want your opinion on.
He talked about – and this was back in 90 – late 91, early 92 when he said this.
He said that December 3rd of 2011 was the –
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Where I studied with one person in particular who made a giant impression on me and that was Ralph Abraham.
And through Ralph, I got involved in something called the Formless Ocean Group,
which was a salon in Santa Cruz that included a rotating cast of members like Timothy Leary, Terence McKenna, Robert Anton Wilson,
Ralph Abraham, a bunch of other people, including myself.
And I was kind of this little puppy sitting on the sidelines in awe of all these people having these phenomenal conversations
and interjecting when I could, when I felt like I could.
And, you know, and through that, honestly, it never took a computer science course in my life.
I started to work with computers in the 80s to help myself with calculations and mathematics.
And because I know mathematics, I took –
I took to software very quickly.
I understood how it worked and started working in Silicon Valley because I was there at the ascension of the whole Silicon Valley thing
because I was living in Santa Cruz at the time and started working at major software firms and startups and all this stuff.
But I like to – people always ask me and they assume that my college days was computer science and it wasn't.
I haven't had a single computer science class in my life.
So that's how all this came together.
You heard my grandfather being –
the influence and the one responsible for introducing me to the occult and anarchistic
thinking and free thinking. Computer science came out of an interest in mathematics, which
really came out of an interest in ontology and philosophy. And I just happened to be in Santa
Cruz at the right place at the right time. And all these people were kind of converging
as the rave culture was emerging and the internet culture was emerging. And they were all kind of
huddled around the warm light of this truly creative center that I haven't found anything
like it since. But Santa Cruz in the late 80s to the mid-90s was a phenomenal epicenter of thinking
where some of the greatest minds in the world were... Well, a good example, I met Jaron Lanier,
who was the guy who created virtual reality, basically, as a busker on the street in Santa
Cruz playing a guitar for change. Again, a guy who's never had a computer science class in his
life, and he went on to create VR.
I just have to break in here because I was in Santa Cruz at that time, too.
You were? See what I mean? I run into people all the time, and they're like,
I was in Santa Cruz at that time.
Only geniuses were there. No, just kidding. Okay, that's pretty funny.
You know what was happening? There was something, because I came all the way from Chicago to go
there, and I didn't even know why, but there was something that was happening. It was an epicenter
of a giant cultural explosion that we're still feeling the ripples of. And anybody who was
anybody that had...
had any kind of sensitivity and any kind of creativity was drawn there like a moth to the
flame. I really...
You guys are a bunch of stone savage hippies all living in the trees there. Come on.
Well, I'm sorry. The drugs were good. I forgot about that part.
Well...
Wait, wait. Here's my question. Let me go back to the train that we were riding before.
Right. Yeah.
So here's my question.
We have to bring this some more up to date, though, Joseph Matheny, because I need you to
talk a little bit more about who you are and who you became after that.
Oh, my God.
OMS hat.
Do you want to go with that or...?
The OMS hat thing really, and I don't want to get into detail on that, but the OMS hat
thing really came out of that period of time in Santa Cruz when I was hanging out with
all those people that I mentioned who were phenomenal influences. I became great friends
with some people like Nick Herbert and Sarfati and all these people that were these physicists
that were also acid head hippies. So they were in it for more than just the pure mathematics
and physics. They really had a mystical influence.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It was all in a mystical interest in the universe. So it was easy to talk to them on
all different kinds of levels, but out of that came this thing, OMS hat, which the way
that I put that together, I decided because I was an early internet or bulletin board
system adopter. I decided that I wanted to advance literature into the new format of
computers and networking. Again, I don't want to get into it, it could take me hours. Basically, I came up with a new
way to present stories and write stories on the internet. There's been an academic study
that's just been released on that. If anybody is interested, it's called Meds and Tripping,
colon something, something the search for wrongs had. It's such a long title. It's a textbook
that's being used by mythology and comparative religion classes across the nation right now.
A couple of really good reviews of it, Chronicle of Higher Education
and the Journal of Folklore Studies did really good reviews of it. Go out there and get it.
Basically, it just talks about what I did with Ongsat and how I did it more than anything.
But it does take place in New Jersey and it does involve going to a second earth.
It involves that and it also involves some of the same stuff that the Montauk Project was involved
in, which is why Peter and I came together. I didn't know Peter,
before I did that, but the reason we came together is somehow we met on the internet
and we started to compare notes and realized that some of the stuff that was going on in
the Montauk Project was similar to the legends of Ongsat, which is based on a real urban legend.
There were black projects that were happening in World War II and a lot of scientists were going
off base and off campus and proceeding with these projects once the budgets got cut. That's what the
story of Ongsat is really about. It's about interdimensional travel.
But there were enough similarities between what we were reading there and what I was reading in
the Montauk Project and this is how Peter and I became friends.
So, in a nutshell, that's basically it and I have done a bunch of artificial intelligence stuff.
If you go to Google patents and type in my name, you'll see some of that stuff.
Again, I don't think of myself as an artificial intelligence designer or programmer because
that was all a tool to get to what I was really after, which was with the Ongsat Project.
If you read legend tripping, you'll know where it was.
find out what I was really after was looking at this giant repository of
information that was continually growing every day called the internet which was
fairly new in 1995 and looking at that as a resource for an artificial
intelligence to gather and collate and using some of the methods that Brian
Geisen and William Burroughs used with the cut up this was a more advanced
method of that so that I could have a conversation with what Terence would have
called the other and Burroughs and Geisen called the third mind that's
really what it was about that's that's what I was out wow and I'm just still
trying to figure out how to just put my book on Kindle and then pick up where we
left off where Joseph Matheny was talking behind the scenes before we
started the introductions yeah I mean Sean had asked me a question so Sean you
know knowing knowing Terence I didn't I didn't hang out with him a lot but he
did come to our fog groups fairly regularly like every couple couple times
a year
and I had conversations with him about timewave zero because I was into the
eating at the time and you know as you know Terence and even Terence admitted
that his his opinions about things would change over time so the the tipping
point thing I think is is pretty evident though if you look around at
what's going on right now December definitely was a tipping point for
something and what Terence what Terence said in the interview just refresh your
memory as he said and this is what was so interesting he said December 3rd of 2011
it's back in 91 remember he said December 3rd of 2011 was gonna be
the final Fibonacci wave helix of the Itching of the timewave zero software and
he didn't mention this but I kept thinking why the hell is December 3rd
such a big deal and why does it have to do with December 21st well you know if
you do you know a little red you know it's too bad they don't teach
recreational mathematics anymore but it's exactly 385 days from December 3rd 2011
2011 to December 21st of 2012, which is exactly a 13-month lunar year up until December 21st of
2012. And this was the final unraveling. And of course, then, you know, this was in the interview
in 91, when he was showing all the spikes, and he was saying that then, on this date,
there's a novelty wave that stretches into infinity that is greater than the sum total
of all these other novelty waves combined. And we're talking about the rise and fall of the
Roman Empire, and First World War, Second World War, American Revolution, French Revolution,
blah, blah, blah. And the question was then asked, what the hell? What happens, Terrence?
And Terrence, you know, literally, his eyes just lit up, and his hair was on fire, and who knows
what he was on at that time. But he's just like, the only explanation I have is that we learned how
to travel through time. And that was pretty much the end of the interview, because he showed the
spike where this spike just goes into singularity, where it literally just, I mean, it goes, he says
it goes into infinity.
And this is where the I Ching that started in like 5130, 5130 BC with Emperor Wen, for all intents
and purposes, ends. So that's pretty scary. And at the same time, we have everything else looking
to this, and we do have some evidence that the actual Mayan calendar ended on October 28th of
2011. But what that ended was the nine waves of creation. And now we seem to be in a gestation
where we're just kind of like the baby in the womb, that's like absorbing all this information. And you guys
who do Time Wave Zero, the first big ratchet of the Time Wave Zero that then is a series, and I've never
seen anything like it, because everything else has been these kind of spikes, and it looks like
kind of stalagmites. We coming up? But what happens now on February 8th and 9th, is you have the
first plateau of something that happens on February 8th and 9th, you know, literally next week. All right,
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TimeWave Zero software starts losing its mind next week, like next Wednesday, next Wednesday.
Something weird is going to happen next week, because now, from everything I can see from
studying the TimeWave Zero stuff way back when I bought my first Mac Classic, and I got this from
Terrence, and I was running it on those programs, and so I've been, you know, love that software.
Now it appears...
that the TimeWave Zero software, Joseph, is now getting to the point where instead of doing these
spikes, you know, we've been on this real... we had a huge novelty wave between April 15th and May 15th,
and we had, you know, Donald Trump accusing Barack Obama, then Obama putting out another birth certificate,
you know, that most people think is fake, and then we had Kate and William getting married, which
three and a half billion people watched on April 30th. Then we had the, you know, Osama bin Laden,
supposedly killed again for the tenth time, and so all these weird things happened, and then we've been in this
really sort of long kind of downward spiral here. Now, the spike starts happening next, as I said, February 8th and 9th,
something very strange happens, where it appears as though that these blocks or plateaus occur, constantly building,
where it looks as though things that took... this is how I interpret it, and I'd like your opinion on it.
The things that...
take the human race hundreds of years to learn, you know, decades to learn, lifetimes, years even, now seem to be
that there's a global enlightenment of, oh, that's so 12 seconds ago, that we're about ready to, I don't know,
learn a series of global lessons in a quantumly short period of time, and that this builds and builds and builds
until December 21st. Any ideas?
Yeah, this is not a new concept. It's not... it's not unique to Time Wave Zero.
The novelty factor was described by a lot of people, probably most recently, Robert Anton Wilson called it the jumping Jesus factor.
Well, you know, he said you can use anything for a unit of measure you want to, so he decided to take the 2,000 years since the birth of Christ
and use that as a Jesus factor. He called it one factor of Jesus. And in... from the birth of Christ to, you know, 2,000 years later,
and he just kind of quantified it into, you know, how much... how much novelty and information is compressed
into the world. And so, you know, it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a... it's kind of a...
into shorter and shorter increments of time
as we move along the timeline. And this is a... this is, you know, a provable and observable fact of human life.
However, I think that the... what Time Wave Zero, and a lot of other things are pointing towards, is not a scary thing.
It's actually an enlightening thing, and I'm finding it very hopeful. And what I'm looking at is...
Well, let's put this into a context. What we've been living under since Babylon, or we could even say the tail end of
to Samaria when we came out of being nomadic hunter-gatherers without calendars and clocks
and all this periodicity and synchronicity that we live with, time was more of a fuzzy
concept.
I think we're going back into a time period soon where time will become more of a fuzzy
concept and concepts will become fuzzier and our acceptance of fuzzier concepts will become
wider.
I think one of the emerging factors that points to that, and everybody may groan when I say
this, but if you look at the Occupy Movement, one of the biggest complaints by the old guard
was that they didn't have an agenda or a clear agenda.
Anybody who was in their 20s in the Occupy Movement said, we don't need a clear agenda
because there's a lot of things, and we're talking about a gestalt here, we're not talking
about one or five issues.
This is the type of thinking that we're moving into, which is literally moving back towards
the type of thinking that we're moving into, which is literally moving back towards the
type of nomadic hunter-gatherer thinking that we had before we got into this.
Citadel living, industrial living, all this stuff that has to do with clocks and calendars
and cutting things into ...
We're going to come back here.
All right.
Okay.
Sorry.
Thank you.
Finish that sentence, Joseph.
Okay.
Hold on.
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Welcome back to all of this.
Once again, my guests, Kerry Cassidy, Joseph Matheny, Peter Moon of the Montauk Books,
Greg Hallett, once again, who looks like he's hiding out in a Russian prison somewhere,
and the lovely Project Camelot, Kerry Cassidy.
Again, if you're on live stream with us as well, we were talking to Joseph Matheny about
the question I asked him was that, once again, the TimeWave Zero software, which Terence
McKinnon's ... Basically, it was his effort of taking the I Ching and processing it.
I'm sorry.
I was just processing it through a computer, and it came out with a series of novelty spikes
and waves.
One of the interesting things about this is that the first of the main blocks of the
final TimeWave Zero software seems to occur next February 8th and 9th, and something amazingly
novel is going to occur in that period of time.
Joseph, if you can just complete your thought about, that it's not a new concept, you were
saying that not really a new concept about that we learn quicker and the time is beginning
to shift.
You want to complete your thought on that?
Yeah.
software or in computer hardware, specifically with processing power, you see that we have
these exponential jumps. But what I was getting to, and I'll just do a quick summation,
is what Time Wave Zero is describing and what Terrence and other people were describing is
they're trying their best to put into a mathematical, precise, and even linguistic
language something that comes from the mythopoetic realm. So it's not going to be a precise concept
that they're trying to describe. And Terrence even expressed frustration with trying to English
these things, as he called it. So we can't, and again, what I was getting at was we are moving
from a time where we have the fake, the artifice of overlay that calendars are. Calendars are an
artifice, right? And that's why we have leap years, and that's why we have all these fudging that we
do with zero and all these different things. Calendars are an artifice, so we can't really
stick to, on this day, at this time, something's going to happen precisely because, from
the mythopoetic realm, we got this information because, from the mythopoetic realm, the thing
it's describing could take anywhere from three days to ten years, but it's somewhere in that
period of time, in a fuzzier logic sense, that we're describing these things. Okay, and all right,
we're going to jump again. Actually, Peter, did you want to comment on any of that? Peter Moon?
You're talking about linear. I mean, that's linearization. You know, Terrence is trying to
describe it in a linear way. I mean, that's linearization. You know, Terrence is trying to
describe it in a linear fashion, and Joe's basically saying it's not linear. It's nonlinear,
and go off into a whole other... Well, I think what's also happening, too, that, again, it
seems as though we're moving out of some kind of neural dampening field, that the promise
of 2012 is that now we're finally getting the veil removed from the right-hand side
of the brain, which, for all intents and purposes, is the left-hand side of the brain, which
we know as the Western male dominance.
Male dominance side of the brain is really only good for measuring things. It's height,
width, breadth, a linear measurement of time, mathematics, geometry, space, judgment, if you
will, which is very masculine and very Western. You know, the Western aspect is that something
only exists if you have a machine that has the capability to measure it, and the better our
machines get, the more our universe begins to expand. However, in the right-hand side of the
brain, that we jokingly call the passive-feminine-submissive side of the brain, if you
will, that part of the brain thinks in terms of symbolism. That's the right-hand side of the brain.
Symbols, archetypes, dance, music, artistic expression, visual and visual expressions,
it's literally the alphabet and writing that killed the goddess, because we used to tell
stories through all those mediums. And now, one of the things in the superior interior
section of the brain that things like remote viewing and intuition, whatever, taps into,
taps into a quantum level of time, where the past, present, and the future are very much
happening all at once. So the idea behind all of this, the whole mind core synthesis
of all this one life has purpose, all this other life has purpose, all this other life
has got is love, is that this right-hand side of the brain opens up, that we start becoming
more like what Joseph was talking about with all those hippie savages that were living
up in the trees in Santa Cruz, that they were literally mathematicians and scientists
and computer experts, but they were using hallucinogens to actually open up this side
of the brain to take it beyond whatever it is to the next step or the next level.
I think it goes beyond that, too. Through the obsessive-compulsive quantifying that we've
done with the scientific era that we've been in for, you know, forever how long, at least
since the Greeks, one of the things that we've finally got to through the quantification
process is getting to the minutia and realizing that the minutia is not quantifiable. It's
very fuzzy. And one of the things that, you know, this is the first time that I've been
doing this, and I think this points out is, let me break it into a different language.
I mean, you're an intuitive, I believe, right? Isn't that what I heard?
Yes.
Okay. So then you know this, like, let's talk about 2012, the phenomena, rather
than 2012, the date. And when we talk about 2012, the phenomena, that maps more into how
I perceive reality. And I think you probably as an intuitive do, too. An event actually
is a gradient, and it's not a dot on a line. The dot on the line is an artifice that we've
done for the purpose of quantifying. And what we've done, unfortunately, over the
last several thousand years, is we've bought the map that we've sold ourselves as the territory.
And now I think what we're going to be forced to do is we're going to go back to recognizing
the territory, and the map is a map, and the territory is a territory. And we're going
to move back into this new way of thinking, which if you look at what the internet actually
does to people, it forces people into a nomadic country.
A nomadic country gatherer state of mind, because that is what you are on the internet.
You're a nomadic country gatherer of information.
Wow. Interesting. And as Lord Nelson said, the map is not the territory.
The menu is not the meal. Yeah.
Exactly. Exactly. So, Terri, let's get back to –
I love it. Okay. Let's get back to –