Eros And The Eschaton

Terence McKenna examines the philosophical and scientific grounds for hope in this nearly two-hour lecture. Centered on Eros as cosmic unity (rather than sexual connotation) and the Eschaton as the ultimate future state, McKenna challenges modern science's compartmentalization of knowledge across inorganic, organic, and cultural domains. He proposes instead a fundamental natural law: the universe persistently builds complexity upon complexity. Each level of organization - from subatomic particles through chemistry, biology, animal life, and human social systems - becomes the foundation for new forms of organization. McKenna argues that this observable pattern across all scales and domains, which science dismisses as coincidence, actually points to a deeper natural order and offers rational grounds for hope about humanity's future.
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to talk about tonight simply because it's the thing that is moving me to the edge of my chair
at the moment is I called the talk Eros and the Eschaton and what I could have called it is Eros
and the Eschaton what science forgot because somebody asked me recently is there any permission
to hope more specifically is there any permission for smart people to hope I mean it's easy to hope
if you're stupid but is there any basis for intelligent people to hope and I wanted to deal
with that because I think so I mean it was to me a shocking question because I live in an aura of
hope because I live in a twilight world of my own self-generated cannabinated fantasy
and I forget that not everyone is so fortunate and and that there's a lot of of despair and
uncertainty out there so I wanted to talk about this I'll talk for a while and then we'll break
and have an intermission I'll sign books if anybody needs a book signed and then we'll come back and do
Q&A on this till till we're sick of it basically
yeah and if there's a technician adjusting this help me out a little bit Eros and the Eschaton
these are the two areas that I think is the old paradigm and give permission to hope and strangely
neither of these words is that well known which gives you a measure of how completely the dominator
position has squelched subverted and and downplayed any opposition to its worldview Eros we know about in some
kind of devalued sticky kind of glitzy way because we get it in the eroticization of media and society but
really what eros means in in the Greek sense is a kind of unity of nature a kind of all pervasive order
that bridges one ontological level to another this is not permitted in the official worldview of our civilization
civilization which is science the the world of inorganic chemistry is not thought to make any statement about the organic world
and the organic world is not thought to be extrapolatable into the world of culture and and thought there are imagined to be clear breaks
in these categories I I had a biologist tell me once if genes aren't involved it ain't evolution
so that means you can't talk about the evolution of the earth as a physical body you can't talk about the evolution of human social institutions
evolution is evolution is somehow a word appropriate to biology and appropriate nowhere else
and this brings me then to the first factor easily discerned by anybody who has their eyes open
that compromises and erodes the hopeless existential view of the world that we're getting from science
and that is the idea that nature is in fact across all scales and all levels of phenomena a unity
it's not a coincidence that electrons spinning around an atomic nucleus and planets going around the star
and star clusters orbiting around the gravitational center of a galaxy it's no coincidence that these
uh systems exhibit the same kind of order on different scales and yet science would say that is a coincidence
you know p.w. bridgeman who was a philosopher of science defined a coincidence as what you have left over when you apply a bad theory
it means that you know you've overlooked something and what jumps out at you as a coincidence is actually a set of relationships
whose uh whose causeuistry is simp whose relationships to each other are simply hidden from you and what I've observed
and I think it is fair to give credit to the psychedelic experience for this
what I've observed is that nature builds on previously established levels of complexity
this is a great general natural law that your own senses will confirm for you
but that has never been allowed into the canon of science
and what I mean by that nature builds on complexity is the following
when the universe was born in the dubious and controversial circumstance called the big bang
it was at first simply a pure plasma of electrons
electrons it was the simplest that it could possibly be
there were no atoms there were no molecules
there were no highly organized systems of any kind
there was simply a pure plasma of expanding energy
energy and as the universe cooled simply cooled new kinds of phenomena we say emerged out of the situation
as the universe cooled atomic nuclei could form and electrons could settle in to stable orbits as the universe further cooled
the chemical bond became a possibility
still later the hydrogen bond which is a weaker bond which is the basis of biology
so as the universe aged it complexified
this is so obvious that it's never really been challenged
but on the other hand it's never been embraced as a general and dependable principle either
follow it through with me
out of atomic systems come chemical systems
out of chemical systems comes the covalent hydrogen bond the carbon bond
carbon bond complex chemistry that is prebiotic or organic
out of that chemistry come the macro physical systems that we call membranes
gels charge transfer complexes this sort of thing
these systems are the chemical preconditions for life
simple life the life of the prokaryotes
the life of naked unnucleated DNA that characterized primitive life on the planet
out of that life come eukaryotes nucleated cells and then complex colonies of cells
and then cell specialization leading to higher animals leading to social animals leading to complex social systems leading to technologies leading to globe girdling electronically based information transfer oriented cultures like ourselves
someone said what what's so progressive about media it's the spreading of darkness at the speed of light
it can be it can be
well
so this is very interesting
that apparently
the way the universe works is
upon a com
upon a platform
of previously achieved complexity
chemical
electrical
social
biological
whatever
new forms
of complexity
can be built
that cross
these ontological boundaries
in other words what I mean by that is that biology
is based on complex chemistry
but it is more than complex chemistry
social systems
are based on
the organization that is animal life
and yet it is more than animal life
so
this is a general law of the universe overlooked by science
that out of complexity
emerges greater complexity
we could almost say
that
the universe
nature
is a novelty
conserving
or complexity
conserving
engine
it makes complexity
and it preserves it
and it uses it as the basis
for further complexity
now
there's more to this
than simply that
I think we all
observationally
could agree with what has been said
so far
the added wrinkle
or an added wrinkle
is
that
each
advancement
into complexity
into novelty
proceeds
more quickly
than the stage
that preceded it
this
is very profound
because
it
if accepted
as a serious
first principle
it
it ends
the marginalization
of our own species
to speak
to the level
of spectator status
in a universe
that knows nothing of us
and cares
nothing for us
this is
the most advanced
position
that modern science
will allow us
spectators
to a drama
we didn't write
shouldn't expect
to understand
and cannot influence
but I say
if
in fact
novelty
is the name
of the game
if in fact
the conservation
and complexification
of novelty
is what the universe
is striving for
then
suddenly
our own
human
enterprise
previously
marginalized
takes on
an immense
new
importance
we are
apparently
players
in the
cosmic
drama
and
in this
particular
act
of the cosmic
drama
we hold
a very central
role
we are
at
the
pinnacle
of the complex
of the expression
of complexification
in the animal
world
and somehow
this complexity
which is
concentrated
in us
has flowed
over
out of the
domain
of animal
organization
and into this
mysterious
domain
which we call
culture
language
consciousness
higher values
each
stage of advancement
into complexity
occurs more quickly
than the stage
which preceded it
after the initial
big bang
there was a period
of
billions
of years
when the universe
cooled
stars
condensed
planetary systems
formed
and then
the quickening
process
crossed
an invisible
Rubicon
into the domain
of
animal
and biological
organization
well
you see
since the
since
the rise
of western
monotheism
the human
experience has
been marginalized
we have been
told
that we were
unimportant
in the cosmic
drama
but we
now
know
from
the feedback
that we're getting
from the
impact
of human
culture
on the earth
that we are a
major factor
shaping
the temperatures
of the oceans
the composition
of the atmosphere
the general
speed
and complexity
of speciation
on the planet
so forth and so on
a single species
ourselves
has broken
from
the ordinary
constraints
of animal
nature
and created
a new world
an epigenetic
world
meaning
a world
not based on
gene transfer
and
chemical
propagation
and preservation
of information
but a world
based on
ideas
on
symbols
on
technologies
on
tools
on
ideas
downloaded
of the human
imagination
and concretized
in
three-dimensional
space
as
choppers
arrow points
particle
accelerators
gene sequencers
spacecraft
what have you
all of this
complexification
occurring
at a faster
and faster rate
and this
brings me
then
that
science
has overlooked
which is
the acceleration
of
complexification
that the
early history
of the universe
proceeded with
excruciating
slowness
then
life
took hold
in the oceans
of this planet
a quickening
of process
and evolution
but still
things proceeded
on a scale
of tens
of millions
to clock
major
change
then
the conquest
of the land
higher animals
higher exposure
to radiation
faster change
species following
species
one upon another
then
fifty thousand
a hundred thousand
a million years
ago
anyway
recently
the crossover
into the domain
of
culture
tool making
myth making
dance
poetry
song
story
and
that set the stage
for
the fall
into history
the
incredibly
unusual
and
self-consuming
process
that has
been going on
for the past
fifteen
or twenty
thousand years
a biological
snap
of the
finger
and
yet
in that time
everything
that we call
human
everything
that we
associate
with
higher values
has been
elaborated
created
set in place
by one species
ourselves
this
acceleration
of time
or complexity
shows
no sign
of slowing
down
in fact
the
fabric
of our own
lives
we can
almost
daily
hourly
by the
minute
feel it
speeding up
taking hold
it's a cliche
that time
is moving
faster and faster
to
not
a
perceptual
illusion
or cultural
mirage
that this
is actually
happening
to the
space-time
matrix
that time
is in fact
speeding up
that history
in which
we are embedded
because
our life
of fifty
to eighty
years
is also
ephemeral
on a scale
of ten
to fifteen
thousand years
but
nevertheless
history
is
a state
of incredible
destabilization
it's
a
it's a
chaos
tree
in the process
of happening
it begins
with
animals
kept in
balance
by natural
selection
transformation
transfer
and the language
using species
hurling its instruments
toward
the stars
there is
no reason
for us
to suppose
that this process
of acceleration
is ever going
to slow down
or be
deflected
it has
been
a law
of nature
from the very
beginning
of nature
that this
acceleration
was built
in
what poses
a problem
to us
as thinking
individuals
is that
the speed
of
involution
toward
concrescence
is now
so great
that we can
feel the tug
of it
within the confines
of our own
lives
there has been
more change
since 1960
than in the
previous
several thousand
years
there has been
more change
since 1992
than in the
previous thousand
years
change
is
accelerating
invention
connection
adumbration
of ideas
mathematical
algorithms
connectivity
of people
social systems
this is all
accelerating
and under
the control
of no one
not the
catholic church
the communist
party
the IMF
no one
is in charge
of this process
this is what
makes history
so interesting
it's a runaway
freight train
on a dark
and stormy
night
this is why
I'm not
particularly
sympathetic
to
conspiracy
theory
because I can't
make the leap
to faith
that would cause
you to believe
anyone could get
hold of the beast
enough to control
it
I mean
conspiracies
of course
we have conspiracies
up the kazoo
but none of them
are succeeding
they're all being
swept away
compromised
astonished
by new information
and endlessly
agonized
so
two factors
relating to Eros
the
movement into
complexity
and the fact
that that movement
goes ever
faster
and the second
quality
the acceleration
of the movement
into novelty
leads me to
the third point
which
is I suppose
more controversial
and I
am frankly
willing to admit
that my
sensitivity
to this third
point
is based on
my
psychedelic
experience
I mean
science
is the
exploration
of the
experience
of nature
without
psychedelics
and I propose
therefore
to expand
that enterprise
and say
we need a science
beyond science
science
we need a science
which plays
with a full
deck
and
the reason
the psychedelic
experience
is so important
here
is not
not some
namby-pamby
notion
that it expands
consciousness
or it makes you
more perceptive
or something like that
I mean that is all
true
but it isn't
strongly enough
put
cultural point
of view
is like
a crystal
you have
an amorphous
cultural
medium
which
at certain
temperatures
will form
a crystal
of cultural
convention
if you
will
and within
the geometry
of that crystal
certain things
make sense
and certain things
are excluded
from making sense
science
is
a
condensed cultural
point of view
that is
a rigid
crystal
of interlocking
assumptions
assumptions such as
matter
is primary
mind
is
tertiary
causality
works
from the past
into the future
so forth
and so on
what psychedelics
do
in terms
of their
impact
on the physical
brain
and organism
of human beings
is
they withdraw
cultural
programming
they
dissolve
cultural
assumptions
they lift
you out
of
that reassuring
crystalline
matrix
of interlocking
truths
which are
lies
and
instead
they throw
you into
the presence
of the great
who knows
the mystery
that has been
banished from
western thought
since the rise
of christianity
and the suppression
of the mystery
religions
now
the
the model
that attracts
me to the
psychedelic experience
is not
that
it makes you
smarter
a kind of
simple minded
idea
paradoxically
or
the idea
that
you are paying
attention
or
the idea
that it's some
kind of
magnifying glass
into the personal
unconscious
your trauma
your childhood
memories
the satanic abuse
your parents
laid on you
so forth
and so on
the
the model
which I like
is a geometric
model
and says
simply
that
since the rise
of the Greek
alphabet
linear thinking
and science
we have become
imprisoned
in a
causal
universe
of
material
connectivity
and that
this is a cultural
myth
as much as
believing that
we are the sons
and daughters
of
the great
father
who got out of his
second waterfall
to take a leak
I mean
these are just
cultural
myths
what is
revealed
through the
psychedelic experience
I think
is a higher
dimensional
perspective
on reality
and I use
higher dimensional
in the
mathematical
sense
literally
you are lifted
out of the plane
plane of cultural
assumptions
and can look
down
with the kind
of godlike
understanding
that one
obtains when
one flies in
an airplane
over a landscape
previously only
viewed from the
ground
in other words
from the
vantage point
of the psychedelic
experience
the cultural
landscape
is seen
more nearly
nearly in its
correct perspective
seen as
historically
bounded
spatially
and
intellectually
bounded
now
it's no
coincidence
that
if you
analyze
biology
what it
is
a quest
of dimensionality
the earliest
forms of
life
were
probably
slimes
or stabilized
on a clay
surface
immobile
unable
to perceive
light
with no
sense of
time
merely a
fingernail
or a toehold
in existence
and then if you
look at the entire
fossil record
what you see
is the evolution
of senses
sensory
preceptors
and organs
of locomotion
the perceptors
the eye
the hand
bring
into
the cognitive
field
the sense
of things
at a distance
and then
language
provides
models
for these
things
at a distance
similarly
fins
legs
so forth
means of locomotion
carry us
through space
this is a
journey
of dimensionality
and
essentially
what animals
are
that plants
are not
are life forms
mobile
in a very conscious
way
in the spatial
dimension
this is why
from the point of view
of evolutionary
biologists
animals
are somehow
more advanced
than plants
well
if
conquest
dimensionality
is the
criteria
then
notice
that we
again
occupy
a special
and privileged
position
in nature
because
we can not
only
run
with the best
of them
seek
and remember
and anticipate
like crazy
and other animals
are not
doing this
other animals
may imprint
past situations
of danger
or opportunity
but they
do not analyze
experience
and extrapolate
it toward
the hidden domain
of the future
and
consciousness
is the
generalized
word
that we
use
for this
coordination
of complex
perception
to create
a world
that
draws
from the past
and builds
model
of the future
and then
suspends
the perceiving
organism
in this magical
moment
called the
now
where the past
is coordinated
for the purpose
of navigating
the future
McLuhan called
it driving
with the rear-view
mirror
and the only thing
good about it
is it's better
than driving
with no mirror
at all
alright
now
what this
of dimensionality
comes to be
in the presence
of psychedelics
is
an anticipation
of the future
we can anticipate
the future
we know
to within
microseconds
when the sun
will rise
we know
within
a few percentage
points
where the prime
rate will be
in six months
some things
we can predict
fairly closely
some things
with less
precision
but the perception
of the future
is very important
to us
when we marry
the need to
perceive the future with the psychedelic experience. I believe we come up with data that is very,
very difficult for science to come to terms with. And this is the third item, or really
the second item in the list, what science forgot. It's what I call the eschaton. Now, eschaton
is a rare word, until very recently unheard outside schools of theology, which I understand
were a dying enterprise. Eschaton comes from the Greek word esk, which just means the end.
The eschaton is the last thing, the final thing. And it's very important to science to eliminate
from its thinking any suspicion that this eschaton might exist. Because if it were to exist,
it would impart to reality a purpose, you see. If the eschaton exists, then it's like a goal,
or an attraction point, or an energy sink toward which historical process is being moved. And
science is incredibly hostile toward the idea of purpose. If you are not involved in the sciences,
this may come as somewhat of a surprise to you. If you are a workbench scientist or a theoretician,
you know that this is what's called the problem of teleology. It is because modern science defined
itself in the 19th century, when the reigning philosophy was deism. And deism was the idea
that the universe is a clock made by God. And God wound this clock and has walked away from
it, and the clock will eventually run down. That theological construct was poisonous to evolutionary
theory in the 19th century. And so they said, we must create a theory of reality that does not
require a goal, does not require a purpose. Everything must be pushed from the past. Nothing
must be pulled toward the future. The problem with this is that it does not fulfill our intuitions
about reality. We can see that evolution, biological evolution, has built on chemical systems. We can
see that social and historical systems build on biology. As people with open minds, or as open as they can be
inside this culture, we nevertheless have this intuition of purpose. And it is dramatically underscored by the
photographic experience byparty Verdari That there also. Now. On
the page is created by 150 Kater, in which we use a 10 throw of genius That you dirty part of it takes the raw material of your life, your culture, your history and tells
... you this is not an existential mishmash to be lived out with dignity because there's nothing else to be done with it, some kind of
Embedded in your own sense of identity, embedded in your own sense of purpose, is a microscopic
reflection of the larger purpose that is built into the universe.
This is not just blowing smoke in the sense of it's a nice idea or it's like a religious
idea like saying Jesus loves you and so feel alright about yourself.
It isn't like that, it's a theory about reality that has teeth because reality is actually
following the script that this particular version of reality dictates.
Reality is accelerating toward an unimaginable omega point.
We are the inheritors of immense momentum in our social systems, our philosophical and
scientific and technological approaches to the world.
Because we're driving the historical vehicle with a rear view mirror, it appears to us that
we're headed straight into a brick wall at a thousand miles an hour.
It appears that we are destroying the earth, polluting the atmosphere, wrecking the oceans,
dehumanizing ourselves, robbing our children of a future, so forth and so on.
I believe what is in fact going on is that we are burning our bridges.
One by one we're burning our bridges to the past.
We cannot go back to the mushroom dotted plains of Africa or the canopied rainforests of five
million years ago.
We can't even go back to the era of Cayuse and six shooter of two hundred years ago.
We have burned our bridges.
We are preparing for a kind of cultural forward escape.
This question, is there cause for optimism?
The answer is it depends on where you placed your bets.
If you placed your bets on male-dominated institutions based on consumer fetishism, propaganda, classism,
and materialism, then God help you, you should call your broker.
If, on the other hand, you've recognized that a lifeboat strategy is involved here, that what
is really important is empowering personal experience, backing off from consumer object fetishism, freeing
the mind, empowering the imagination, then in that case, I think you can feel pretty good about
what is going on.
You know, there's a lot of talk about cultural death and disenfranchisement, and it's usually
couched in terms of some happy naked people in the rain forest or in Tajikistan making their
rugs or milking their camels or something, and isn't it too bad that their culture is being
blown up and traded in for mall culture and shopping by remote, but in fact is being destroyed,
is being sold down the river by the sorts of people who want to turn the entire planet into
an international airport arrival concourse, and that's not the victory of somebody's culture
over somebody else's culture.
Nobody ever had a culture like that.
That's just the victory of schlockmeisterism and crapola over good taste and good sense.
Well, if I were, if I were dependent on the notion that human institutions are necessary to pull
us out of the ditch, I would be very despairing. As I said, nobody's in charge, not the IMF, the
Pope, the Communist Party, the Jews. No, no, no. Nobody has their finger on what's going on. So then why hope?
Isn't it just a runaway train out of control? I don't think so. I think the out of control-ness
is the most hopeful thing about it. After all, whose control is it out of? You and I never controlled it
in the first place. Why are we anxious about the fact that it's out of control? I think if it's out
of control, then our side is winning. To me, the most confounding datum of the psychedelic experience
is this thing which I call the eschaton. And I want to talk about it a little bit this evening,
because I think it is the hardest thing for people to grasp about my particular rap. And, you know,
sometimes I've talked to many of you about psychedelic plants, shamanism, techniques, chemistry,
approaches, so forth and so on. I'm approaching this this evening as a graduate seminar. I figure
everybody has their little mojo kit and their particular way of approaching these things. And then
the question is, you know, what kind of conclusions can we draw? And the conclusion I draw is,
and this is sort of pulling together what I said before, we are central to the human drama and to the
drama of nature and process on this planet. The opposition, which is science...
Well, first, let me say this. Every model of the universe has a hard swallow. What I mean by a hard
swallow is a place where the argument cannot hide the fact that there's something slightly fishy about it.
The hard swallow built into science is this business about the Big Bang. Now, let's give this a little
attention here. This is the notion that the universe for no reason sprang from nothing in a single instant.
Well, now, before we dissect this, notice that this is the limit test for credulity.
Whether you believe this or not, notice that it is not possible to conceive of something more unlikely,
or less likely to be believed. I mean, I defy anyone. It's just the limit case for unlikelihood,
that the universe would spring from nothing in a single instant for no reason. If you believe that,
my family has a bridge across the Hudson River that will give you a lease option for $5. It makes no sense.
It is, in fact, no different than saying, and God said, let there be light. And what the philosophers of
science are saying is, give us one free miracle. And we will roll from that point forward,
from the birth of time to the crack of doom, just one free miracle. And then it will all unravel
according to natural law and these bizarre equations, which nobody can understand, but which are so holy in
this enterprise. Well, I say then, if science gets one free miracle, then everybody gets one free
miracle. And I perceive that it is true when you build these large-scale cosmogonic theories that you
have to have a kind of an umbilical cord or a point to start from that is different from all other points
in the system. So if we have to have a singularity in our modeling of what reality is, let's make it as
modest and as non-singularity as possible. The singularity that arises for no reason in absolutely empty
space instantly is the least likely of all singularities. Doesn't it seem more likely, if we have to have a singularity, that it occurs in a
domain with a rich history, with many causal streams feeding into the situation that nurtures the complexity. In other words, to put it
simply, if you have to have a singularity, doesn't it make more sense to put it at the end of a cosmogonic
process than at the beginning? And I think this is the great breakthrough of psychedelics and shamanism, that
science got it absolutely wrong. The universe didn't begin in a singularity. Who knows how the universe
began or would even presume to judge? But the universe ends in a singularity. It has been growing more
singular, more complex, more unique, more novel, every passing moment since it burst into existence. And if that's true,
true, then we represent a kind of concrescence of universal intent. We're not mere spectators, or a cosmic
accident, or some sideshow, or the Greek chorus to the main event. The human experience is the main event. The
coordination of perception, of hope, of dream, of vision that occurs inside the human heart-mind-body
interface is the most phenomenon in the universe. Now, even the physicalists will agree that the human neocortex
represents the most densely ramified matter known to exist in the biological world. And you don't have
to be a rocket scientist to see that human society, human history, human art, human literature represent
things for which there is no analog in the world of wasps, groundhogs, killer whales, and so forth and so on.
In our species, complexity has turned inward upon itself. And in our species, time has accelerated. Time has
left the gentle ebb and flow of gene transfer and adaptation that characterizes biological evolution.
And instead, historical time is generated. And so I believe that science and its reluctance to deal with the
psychedelic experience, and the way in which science has used, then, law to suppress its rival, in this case, arises out of a
profound discomfort on the part of science about this future state of complexification that is clearly the
grail, the dwell point, the end point of the human historical process. No one of us, I think, can imagine
that history could go on for another thousand years. I mean, what would it look like? At the current rate of population
growth, spread of epidemic disease, rate of invention, connectivity, depletion of resources, the atmosphere, it is
impossible to conceive of another thousand years of human history. History, then, is ending. History is a kind of gestation
process. It's a kind of metamorphosis. It's an episode in the life of a species. If you think of the the simple
example of metamorphosis, that of caterpillar to butterfly, we all know that there is this intermediate
resting stage where the caterpillar is, for all practical purposes, enzymatically dissolved and then
we're reconstituted as an entirely different kind of organism with different physical structures, different eyes,
different legs, a different way of breathing, with wings where no wings were before, with a different kind of
feeding apparatus. This is what's happening to us. History is a process of metamorphosis. It's a pupation
stage. It begins with naked monkeys and it ends with a human machine planet girdling interface capable of
releasing the energies that light the stars and it lasts about 15 or 20 thousand years and during that
period the entire process hangs in the balance. It's a period of high risk. It's like what a butterfly is
doing in a cocoon or what is happening to a child in the womb. It's a gestation process where one form of
life is being changed into another. Well this would all happen naturally and with a great deal of anxiety
I imagine as history builds to its ever more climactic and horrifying crescendo and we would all be ignorant or
very baffled about what's going on were it not for the institution of psychedelic shamanism. Remember I said
that what is dissolved are the crystalline structures of cultural assumption? Well one of the strongest
symmetries in our cultural crystal is the symmetry that gathers around the concept of past and future.
the shaman actually rises into a domain where past and future are different. The same top is not a metaphor.
It's what's really going on. If you think about shamanism in its classical guise for a moment it is about
predicting weather, predicting game movement, and curing disease. If you had a prescient or extraordinary
understanding of the future each one of us would be able to do these things. You just look into next week
and there it is. Same deal. Curing the sick actually involves very judicious choice of your patients with a
pre-knowledge of who will get well and who will not get well. So it's as though the members of the culture are
imprisoned in linear time and the shaman is not. And why not? Because the shaman has perturbed the brain
states sanctioned by the culture, sanctioned by its educational processes, its habits, its attitudes. And into that vacuum created by the
perturbation of these cultural values rushes the raw, unanalyzed datum of reality. This is what Aldous Huxley called
removing the reducing valve of consciousness. And suddenly, culture is seen to be a relative
phenomena. The stockbroker no different from the rainforest shaman, each somewhat similar to the
Trobrian Islander or the Eskimo. Culture is simply clothing upon the human experience. But the human
organism outside the confines of culture in a direct relationship to nature transcends time and space.
This was a fact, I believe, that was known in prehistory and in fact was the source of Paleolithic values
which were not material, not linear, not surplus oriented, not class oriented, not power oriented, but
rather oriented toward a kind of egalitarian partnership in an environment of great material simplicity.
Human beings lived like that for probably a half a million years, with poetry, with dance, with mathematics,
with magic, with story, with humor, with the paralyzing and toxic artifacts of the late evolving machine
worshiping monotheistic linear fanatic alphabet tight ass straight culture that we are a part of.
So now, at a kind of moment of great cultural challenge and dynamic for Western civilization,
which has for a thousand years called all the shots and shoved itself down everybody's throat,
whether they liked it or not. In the last hundred years, through the science of anthropology and ethnography
and ethno-medicine and botany, the news has arrived that these quote unquote primitive people
are in fact master technicians of journeying into a world of the neurological imagination,
a world we didn't even know exist, a world that is as distant to us as the world at the heart of the atom is
from the rainforest fishermen. And, because our own cultural values seem a little shoddy at this moment,
those on the fringes of Western civilization have begun to seek alternatives, begun to look at alternative religions,
yoga, tantra, buddhism, zen, whatever, alternative approaches to diet, vegetarianism,
macrobiotics, so forth and so on, and alternative approaches to authentic experience, which means psychedelics.
In the early stage of psychedelic involvement, everyone was sort of flying under the banner of
hands-on Freudianism or hands-on Jungianism. You know, we're going to see those archetypes,
we're going to confront those sexual repressions, we're going to journey into those traumatic childhood memories.
Now it's understood, I think, that those metaphors were fairly inadequate and that actually we stand on the brink
of an unexplored landscape of planetary size. The world of the High Paleolithic, which is a Gaian world,
a world of feeling, not analytical intellectual constructs, but a world of empowered feeling, empathy, and intuitive understanding.
An understanding that doesn't arise in a context of Greek logic, but in a context of animal knowing,
in the authentic mode of the body. So, just to bring it all around here, the great exhibit, which we must always keep in
front of ourselves and our critics, is the mystery of the human mind and body. No one knows how it is that I can command my
hand to make a fist and that it will do that. I mean, that's mind over matter. That's the violation of every scientific principle in the books.
And yet, it is the most trivial experience any of us have. We expect to command our body. We expect the mental will
keep flesh into action and it will follow. The body is the nexus of the mystery of life. And our culture takes us out of the body
and sells our loyalty into political systems, into religions, into inanimate objects and machines, collections,
collections, so forth and so on. The felt experience of the body is what the psychedelics are handing back to us.
That's why it's called escape. Because it's escape from HBO, from walking the mall, from seeing what's on the tube, from consuming trash media.
It's escape from all of that into the authenticity of the body. This is why sexuality is so edgy in this society.
They'd make it illegal if they could figure out how. It's the one drug they can't tear from our grip and so they lay a guilt trip about it.
But sexuality and psychedelics, by carrying us back to an authentic sense of the body, carry us back to the domain of authentic values.
And more and more the message that people are getting as they avail themselves of the psychedelic experience is that it is not a journey into the human unconscious or into the ghost bardos of our chaotic civilization.
It's a journey into the presence of the Gaian mind, that the earth is a coherent whole. It is a thinking, feeling, intending being that in terms of our value structures, it would be foolish to image as anything other than female.
And when cultural values created by male dominance and science and linearity and so forth and so on, when those values are dissolved, what is waiting there is this incredibly poignant experience of matrix.
What James Joyce called the mama matrix most mysterious, nothing more than our bodies and the earth out of which our bodies came. History, as we have lived it in the West, has been a turning of our back on that.
And now history has failed. Western cultural institutions, having become global cultural institutions, now show themselves to be adequate, to inspire, lead or carry anyone into a future worth living in.
At this moment, then, this reconnecting to the Gaian mind becomes a kind of moral imperative.
So this whole drug issue is not an issue even about criminal syndicates or about untaxed billions or about the mental health of our youth or any of that malarkey.
I mean, my God, the most destructive drugs known to the species.
I mean, say, the cause of a kind of strict genocide إstes нe, ofulpensa and cheaa Endearse into the world.
And again, the major comment of the object of this, when it comes to use, the point of civilization, generation, the ones that aren't fashioned by understanding of the context of the East Old Stumble,
where did the execute the show, which was understood, the event was between the two molecules'hos and the two.
are peddled on every street corner without restriction. The real issue is what kind of
mental worlds shall people inhabit? What kinds of hope shall be permitted? What kind of value
systems shall be allowed? And the value systems that aggrandize the possession of things,
the tearing up of the earth, competition, classism, racism, sexism, have led us to the brink of
catastrophe. Now, I think we have to abandon cultural, Western cultural values, and return to
the deeper wisdom of the body in connection with the plant, the seamless web that leads us back
into the heart of nature. And if we can do this, then this very narrow neck of cultural crisis
can be navigated. Very little of the past can be saved. The architectonics, the machines,
the systems of monetary exchange and propaganda, the silly religions, the asinine aesthetic canons,
very little of that can be saved. But what can be saved is the sense of love and caring and
mutuality that we all put into and take from the human enterprise. You know, there's a Grateful Dead
song that says, you can't go back and you can't stand still. If the thunder don't get you, then the
lightning will. And we now hold, through the possession of these psychedelics, catalysts for the human
imagination of sufficient power that if we use them, we can deconstruct the lethal vehicle that is
carrying us toward the brink of apocalypse. We can deconstruct that vehicle and redesign it into a kind
of starship that would carry us and our children out into the broad starry galaxy we know to be
waiting us. But it's a cultural test. Nature is pitiless. Intelligence is a grand experiment upon which
a great deal has been risked. But if it proves inadequate, nature will cover it over with the same
kind of cool impunity that she covered over the dinosaurs and the trilobites and the cross-opterigian
fishes and all those other folks who came before. So what we must do, I think, is see our future in the
imagination, catalyze the imagination, form symbiotic relationships with the plants, affirm archaic values,
and spread the good news that what is out of control, what is in fact dying, is a world that had become
too top-heavy with its own hubris, too bent by its own false value systems, and too dehumanized to care about
what happened to its own children. So I say, good riddance to it. Bring on the archaic revival, and let's create a new world.
And that's it. And that that was all perfectly clear before the break. This is the part I enjoy the most because I'm not into the white guy at the front of the room with all the answers trip. It's just unfortunate that I have the body I do. I'm actually a lesbian trapped in a man's body, but I've done the very best with that.
I thought that I could, which hasn't been bad, let me tell you. Yes. Wait, wait. You're going to have to yell, and then I'll repeat it.
This is a really interesting question. I can talk about it. I'll repeat the question. It's, can I talk about the relationship of advanced mathematics to modeling of consciousness in layman's terms, correct?
One of the great mysteries still to be addressed by philosophy is why is it that numbers, which are, after all, constructs of the human mind,
why is it that numbers are so incredibly powerful for the description of nature? Nature, after all, is somehow given, we find it all around us, and numbers arise in the depths of human ratiocination.
So what is the relationship of these things to each other? This may appear to be an easy question. It's such a difficult question that it wasn't even asked in philosophy until the 20th century.
It's very puzzling, and I think that it indicates a fundamental congruency between processes that are mental and the structure of the world itself.
This is why I didn't get into it too much tonight in a popular lecture like this, but I am the inventor or the purveyor of a mathematical theory of consciousness.
And I believe that more powerful than any atom smasher, more subtle than any space telescope, is the human mind.
The human mind is the most subtle and superb of all instruments for the study and measurement of nature.
When we look into ourselves, we discover the same patterns that we discover in the birth and death of a species, the flow of a river, the collapse of a corporation, or the flowering of a love affair.
It's that process is somehow under the aegis of a kind of universal equation of description.
So it doesn't matter whether it's the birth and death of your hope, or the rise and fall of the Assyrian Empire, or the evolution of the Pacific Ocean.
Processes always occur in the same way, and this is why there is congruence between the mental world of human beings and the world of abstract mathematics and the world of nature.
These things are, as it were, simply different levels of condensation of the same universal stuff.
This is why the concept of truth can have some meaning.
I mean, when you think about it, truth, why should it even be possible for us as monkeys to entertain that notion?
Where is it writ large that mammals traveling in packs should have any relationship to truth whatsoever?
And yet, the faith is that somehow thinking means something.
It's not just something we do, it means something.
It means something because there is sufficient freedom within the human system to be both right or wrong.
And this right or wrong lays upon us the obligation of mirroring nature in models which we build in our own minds.
Now, the old idea in science was that these mathematical models of nature were in fact laws, truths, eternal platonic truths that were being teased out.
In the 20th century, a slight epistemological sophistication leads to this word models, where we say we're modeling reality.
And our model is only as good as we need it to be.
If we're trying to model the flight of an artillery shell, the model needs to be only good enough to get the artillery shell to its target.
We don't need to understand the essence of lead or the nature of motion there.
We simply need the model to kick out the data that interests us.
And in the 20th century, it's been understood that all knowledge is dependent upon the question asked.
And the relationship of mathematics to nature is one of the profound indicators, I think, that truth can be known.
Maybe not the truth, but I always think of the positivist philosopher Wittgenstein, who was once asked in a classroom situation about a certain proposition,
is it the truth, is it the truth?
And he said, well, it's certainly true enough.
And, you know, that's where we are with our modeling of the world and with our mathematics.
It is the truest truth we know.
It is true enough.
Somebody else here.
Yeah, in front.
The question is from a stage magician, and the question is what is the nature of magic, or what is magic, or the wonder that it invokes.
There are two theories.
I mean, magic is not a trivial issue at all.
There are two theories about how the world works, and each one depends on a fundamental assumption about what the world is.
There's the scientific theory, which says the world is tiny packets of matter squealing along through empty space at close to the speed of light and subject to a certain set of interlocking laws.
That's what science tells us the world is.
Another theory is, and to my mind, a much more appealing and even intuitively correct theory, is the world is language.
The world is made of language.
We can say that the world is composed of little demons doing calisthenics, each one the size of a pissant's eyebrow.
Or we can say the world is made out of wave mechanical packets of matter flying along at the speed of light.
But notice that what we get each time is words.
Our model of what the world is, is made of words.
And the world is composed of description.
Now, in the era before science, scientists like to say, people were more epistemologically naive.
What they mean by that is, they didn't have a clear understanding of the division between the inside and the outside,
between what we imagine and what actually is.
But if you live long enough, I think you discover what we imagine and what actually is, are very close to the same thing.
Now, whenever you say the world is made of language, the positivists object by saying, well, then why isn't it the way we say it is?
I didn't say it's the way we say it is.
I said it's made of language.
And part of the inspiration for my career is the realization that you could get up in front of audiences and say how the world is.
And to a small degree, for a limited time, in a limited space, it shimmers and recasts itself and becomes the thing that we say that it is.
The mind is somehow a co-creator in the process of reality through acts of language.
And language is very, very mysterious.
I mean, it is true magic.
People run all over the place looking for paranormal abilities.
But notice that when I speak, if your internal dictionary matches my internal dictionary,
that my thoughts cross through the air as an acoustical pressure wave
and are reconstructed inside your cerebral cortex as your thought, your understanding of my words.
Telepathy exists.
It's just that the carrier wave is small mouth noises.
All so-called primitive people know that the world is made of language,
that you sing it into existence, that what you say it is, is what it is,
that it is maintained in existence by an act of rational apprehension.
And it's only science which has taken this very weird approach and said,
no, no, the world is somehow independent from the act of description.
And this is not a situation where we have two separate points of view,
both open-hearted and trying their best to work hard for you.
Science carried out its analysis of nature to the point where it shot itself in the foot.
Science carried out an analysis of nature that went to such depth
that it discovered that nature doesn't exist except as an object of description,
that there are no little objects winging their way through empty space.
There is only a situation describable by a multileveled fishy formula,
and when you drop a mind into that situation,
the fishy formula condense out into a little particle which can be measured.
Mind is necessary for the world to undergo the formality of existing.
This is what quantum physics teaches.
Unfortunately, this news has not reached the other sciences.
This is a real failure on the part of science.
You see, throughout the 19th century, physics was the paradigmatic science.
It was the science everybody envied.
It's not unusual in physics for theory and experiment
to be congruent to three decimal points of accuracy.
That just causes scientists to go wild.
They love that when theory and measurement fall into congruency like that.
And so everyone wanted to be like physics.
Chemistry sought that.
Sociology, psychology, biology.
Meanwhile, physics, pursuing the exploration of matter,
broke through to a domain where matter ceased to be definable,
ceased to even exist in any ordinary way.
Seem to behave in incredibly strange ways.
Time flows backward.
Energy crosses barriers without ever going through them,
by tunneling through them in some way.
Modern biology is still afflicted with physics envy.
Meanwhile, physics has gone on to a realm of such exotic and surreal uncertainty
that it's, at this point, to the left of psychology in the precision of its metaphors.
So science has undercut itself and now exists in a state of unrecognized crisis
that hopefully the psychedelic experience will exacerbate to the point where this will arrive on the plate
of every experimentalist and observational and observer of nature.
People don't take enough, that's all.
You know, I mean, people are confused about what's going on.
First of all, taking psychedelics has a certain measure of chicness about it.
Well, everybody wants to be chic.
And you can get into the club merely by saying you took it.
But you don't want to lie like a dog.
So the way to get into the club without paying your dues is to take some pissant amount
and then run around raving about that.
So when we talk about the psychedelic experience,
it's not clear we're all talking about the same thing.
It's sort of like talking about France.
And you have the people who changed planes in the airport
and the people who moved there for 30 years
and learned the literature and got a job and married the locals.
So the way to do psychedelics is, I believe, at higher doses
than most people are comfortable with and rarely
and with great attention to set and setting.
The social use of psychedelics in the club scene
or at rock and roll concerts and so forth,
I mean, when I go to those kind of scenes,
I just smoke pot because I want to be part of what's going on.
I want to have a good time.
But you would be nuts to take a major psychedelic in that circumstance.
Socially dense environments filled with light and noise
are a strategy for coming down.
You know, I mean, if you took a drug you didn't like,
the smartest thing to do would be to jog around the block 10 times
and then chop a bunch of wood.
Very similar to dancing your ass off, in other words.
So the way I recommend doing psychedelics is in silent darkness
and with as little input from other people as possible.
I mean, I say alone if you are experienced, if you're really confident,
just alone, for crying out loud.
If that gives you pause and you must have a sitter,
and let's use the word sitter, not guide.
My God, nobody's guiding you anywhere.
They have no more notion where you are than, you know,
we know where Judge Carter is at this point.
So the sitter.
And my idea of the perfect sitter is, you know,
you have a little Tibetan bell by your side,
and the sitter is three rooms away.
And if you need the sitter, you ring the bell.
They stick their head in the room and say,
it's cool, lay down, do that.
And I, you know, as long as this question was brought up
and so much of the lecture was somewhat high-toned,
let me get into this for a minute.
There are thousands of altered states.
You know, we know them.
Orgasm, indigestion, two cappuccinos,
where tequila takes you.
So endless altered states.
And I'm not really interested in them,
more or less than any of you are.
I mean, they're part of life.
But what I'm interested in, as an experimentalist,
as a connoisseur of nature, you know,
somebody who loves fossils, butterflies, rainforests,
that kind of thing,
is this family of compounds called the indole hallucinogens.
Indoles.
And they cause hallucination.
And some people say, you know,
that I'm a fetishist about this,
that who cares,
or that there are other things besides hallucination.
Yes, I know, maybe, and of course.
But the reason I'm so fascinated by hallucinations
is because, to my mind,
when you're hallucinating,
you have an absolutely clear proof
that you are not generating this material.
You know, it's not funny ideas.
It's not racing thoughts.
It's not insight into what your boyfriend really meant yesterday.
That kind of thing we all can generate
by just inspecting our own minds.
But a hallucination is to be in the presence of that
which previously could not be imagined.
And if it previously could not be imagined,
then there is no grounds for believing
that you generated it out of yourself.
I mean, we should each know our own inventory.
You know?
You know what's in your cupboard.
You know what's in your chest of drawers.
For God's sake, you ought to know what's in your mind.
Well, then, if something comes forward
and you say, that's not mine,
that's not in my inventory,
then you have a kind of perfect proof
that this is coming from somewhere else.
And then the question becomes, where?
And we can set off into that.
Opinions differ.
And nobody has God's truth on it.
A reductionist,
somebody who didn't like these substances,
would say, oh, well, it's just neurological chaos.
It's just you've interrupted the normal functioning
of good brain chemicals.
And evil brain chemicals are now giving a sense of a chaos.
Well, that just doesn't cut the mustard.
I mean, that kind of stuff may work
if you're talking to the troops,
but not if you're talking to anybody who's ever been there.
I know what a neurological chaos would look like.
It would look like bright lights, moving patterns,
colored this, something that.
It would not be ruins,
landscapes, machines, paintings,
works of art, building plans,
weapons, bits of manufactured technological detritus.
These things are too coherent.
They're objects in some kind of superstructure of the mind.
And for me, this was the revelation.
I didn't get into this business
by being an airhead or a screwball.
My attitude was always,
if it's real, it can take the pressure.
You know, you don't have to pussyfoot around the real thing.
If they're telling you, you know,
oh, you must lower your voice
and avert your gaze or this and that,
then you're probably in the presence of crap.
Because the real thing is real.
It doesn't demand that you adjust your opinion to suit it.
It's real.
That means it is preeminent.
That means it sets the agenda.
And I studied yoga.
I wandered around in the east.
I was fast shuffled by BB-eyed little men in doughties.
I know the whole spiritual supermarket and rigmarole.
And I find nothing there to interest me
on the level of, you know,
five grams of psilocybin mushrooms in silent darkness.
I mean, that's where the pedal meets the metal.
That's where the rubber meets the road.
And the inspiration for me
to get up and talk to an audience like this
simply comes from the fact that
I cannot believe that this could be kept under wraps
the way it has.
I mean, I kidded with you earlier
that they would make sex illegal if they could.
Well, they can't, so it isn't.
But the psychedelic experience is as central
to understanding your humanness
as having sex or having a child
or having responsibilities
or having hopes and dreams.
And yet it is illegal.
We are somehow told we are infantilized.
We are told, you know, you can wander around
within the sanctioned playpen
of ordinary consciousness.
And we have some intoxicants over here
if you want to mess yourself up.
We've got some scotch here
and some tobacco and red meat
and some sugar and a little TV
and so forth and so on.
But these boundary-dissolving hallucinogens
that give you a sense of unity
with your fellow man and nature
are somehow forbidden.
This is an outrage.
It's a sign of cultural immaturity.
And the fact that we tolerate it
is a sign that we are living in a society
as oppressed as any society in the past.
My thing is not about my opinion
or what I saw in Africa
or anything like that.
This is, get it straight,
this is about an experience.
Not my experience.
Your experience.
It's about an experience which you have
like getting laid
or like going to Africa.
You must do the experience.
Otherwise, it's just whistling past the graveyard.
And we're not talking about
something like being born again
or meeting the flying saucers
or something like that
where good works and prayer are the method.
No.
If you take a sufficient dose
of an active compound,
it will deliver itself to you
on the money.
If it doesn't work,
take more.
Nobody is in a position
to dismiss this
just because it didn't work for them
on one or two tries.
This is an art.
It's an art.
It's something you coax into existence.
I mean, you have to learn to make love.
You have to learn to speak English.
Anything worth doing
is an art that is acquired.
This is part of our birthright,
perhaps the most important part
of our birthright.
These substances will deliver.
It is the confoundment
of psychology and science generally.
And that's why it's so touchy
for cultural institutions.
But you are not a cultural institution.
You are a free
and independent human being.
And these things have your name
written on them
in big gold letters.
Yes, here.
Can you please speak to clairvoyance
and whether or not
it's a subset of psychodelics
or vice versa?
Clairvoyance.
Um...
Clairvoyance.
forms of paranormal activity, I think, are part of a 5% leakage around normal culturally
sanctioned brain function. If you read Stan Grof's books about LSD, which is one case
history after another, virtually every paranormal phenomenon ever catalogued has occurred under
the influence of LSD, seeing things at a distance, recovering past lives where then you could actually
check the data and it happened, knowledge of things going on at a distance, I think that
we are caged by our cultural programming and that this is the most powerful imprisoning
factor in our lives, that if we could train ourselves simply to remember our dreams, psychedelics
would become obsolete. If we could train ourselves simply to pay attention to our ordinary states
of consciousness as we live through our days and nights. Culture is a mass hallucination and
when you step outside the mass hallucination you see it for what it is worth. Language
is partially the key here. We cannot move into a reality that we cannot describe. If we can't
describe a world, we can't be there. And so the interesting place to be is at the cutting
edge of language. And it's interesting that the legacy of the 1960s is a legacy of language
evolution. I mean concepts like ego trip, vibe, bummer, so forth and so on. I mean we sneer
at these concepts but there was no word for these things before. Once there is a word then that
word is like a stepping stone out into the fog. And as long as we let the establishment set
the language agenda, we will be imprisoned in the tiny rather pedestrian world of consumerism
and schlocko values that the establishment has prepared for us. So the way I think of these
psychedelics or a different way is that they're catalysts for the imagination. Catalysts to say
what has never been said, to see what has never been seen, to draw, paint, sing, sculpt, dance and act
what has never before been done, to push the envelope of creativity and language. And what's really
important is I call it the felt presence of direct experience, which is a fancy term which just simply
means we have to stop consuming our culture. We have to create culture. Don't watch TV. Don't read magazines.
Don't even listen to NPR. Create your own road show. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe.
And if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered. You're giving it all away to icons.
Icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that, you know, you want to dress like X or have lips like Y or something.
This is shit brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion. And what is real is you and your friends and your associations,
associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we're told, no, we're unimportant. We're peripheral.
Get a degree. Get a job. Get a this. Get a that. And then you're a player. You don't even want to play in that game.
You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron
consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world. Where is that at?
Well, religion is simply the word we use to describe our intuition that there is something outside the realm of culture
culture and the three-dimensional surfaces of things that there is a hidden dimension to reality. Call it a plan, a purpose, a loving God, a cosmos instead of a chaos.
And psychedelics, I believe, reveal a greater order than the order of the human world. This is why the way I do them is either in darkness,
which means surrounded by the body, my body, which is part of nature, or in nature itself, in the mountains, at the beach, in the jungle.
Because what we are lacking existentially is any sense of order, meaning, and beauty in the world.
Because the society we're living in has no order or beauty or meaning. It's just a scam and a rat race.
But if you take the psychedelics in these contexts where the culture and its artifacts are suppressed, then you connect up to the greater whole.
The question of God, meaning in Milton's phrase, the God who hung the stars like lamps in heaven, I don't think psychedelics can address that definitively.
But there is another God, a goddess, the goddess of biology, the goddess of the coherent animal-human world, the world of the oceans, the atmosphere, and the planet.
In short, our world, the world we were born into, that we evolved into, and that we came from.
That world the psychedelics want to connect us up to.
Because our individuality as people and as a species is an illusion of bad language that the psychedelics dissolve into the greater feeling of connectedness that underlies our being here.
And to my mind, that's the religious impulse.
It's not a laundry list of moral do's and don'ts or a set of dietary prescriptions or practices.
It's a sense of connectedness, responsibility for your fellow human beings and for the earth you're walking around on.
And because these psychedelics come out of that plant-vegetable matrix, they are the way back into it.
I want a woman here.
Good question.
Well, the answer is, I think, pretty obvious.
Yes.
How do we emancipate people from the foolishness of the drug war?
How do we, as a community, as a point of view, how do we gain legitimacy?
This is a really important question.
I mean, if you look around yourself tonight, you don't see the uneducated, the unhealthy, the demented, or the deluded.
And yet, this is the stereotype of our subculture.
Instead, what you see are well-dressed, creative people holding down positions in society, the parents of children, the heads of departments, the authors of books, the painters of paintings.
You may not have noticed, but in this society, they're not handing out rights.
Ask black people.
Ask members of any sexual minority.
They don't hand out rights in this society.
And we, meaning we psychedelic people, by and large, this isn't always true, but by and large, we tend to be white and middle class.
A translation of those two terms into gutless would not be inappropriate.
We have the most to lose, and so we're not given to hurling ourselves into the breach or building barricades in the street to hurl our bodies against the machine.
Nevertheless, if you don't claim your political birthright, it will never be given to you.
And black people, and gay people, and American Indians, Native Americans, all of these people have learned that you don't go on bended knee to petition the official culture for your rights.
You have to take them.
And people ask me, you know, how can you stand up and say the things you do?
Why don't they take you away?
They don't take me away because they're more chicken shit than you think.
They're more off balance than you think.
They're more uncertain of themselves than you think.
The legitimacy of this point of view is established in their minds.
The reason drugs are illegal and suppressed and blah, blah is because you can make a shitload of money off them in that context.
It's a money issue.
Do you think a loving government is trying to keep you from jumping out of third floor windows and that's why LSD is illegal?
I mean, give me a break for crying out loud.
If this government felt strongly enough about certain issues, all of us between 18 and 26 would be sent off to die for that policy decision.
So the government is not interested in your health.
The government is artificially interested in inflating the prices of certain substances in order to create a focus for clandestine money that is used then to destabilize unfriendly governments, murder labor union leaders, kill and blackmail the editors of left wing newspapers, so forth and so on.
Drugs are enormous big business and not psychedelic drugs.
Psychedelic drugs, the only one that ever amounted to anything as a financial enterprise was cannabis.
And cannabis is many things besides psychedelic.
The schedule one, the most repressed schedule, don't produce great amounts of money at all.
What they do produce is questioning minds.
They cause people to ask questions.
They cause people to ask for clarification.
They cause people to challenge cultural values because they decondition you.
It doesn't matter whether you're a Hasid, a communist apparatchik, a rainforest shaman.
If you take psychedelics, you will question your first premises.
And that is a business that all governments, right, left, middle, are in the business of repressing.
They don't want to have to explain why things are done as they are.
But if we don't begin asking for that explanation, they're going to run this planet right into ruin.
And we are the generation responsible.
You are the generation that is responsible.
You can't claim that you grew up in a village in Nigeria and you didn't know.
You can't claim that you're the child of poor Bangladeshi parents and you had no opportunity.
The responsibility rests upon the educated and the financially capable of doing something about it.
And by that measure, you and I are probably in the upper 3% of people on this planet.
And if we don't take responsibility, then that responsibility will devolve to others, BDI'd others with an agenda that would stand your hair on end.
Yes, over here.
This will be the last question, so make it hit.
Let's go back and talk about schizophrenia for just a second.
The question is, you know, schizophrenia involves basically breaking with ordinary value systems.
And how does it relate to the psychedelic state?
And people who have schizophrenic relatives in their family tree, how should they relate to the psychedelic experience and so forth?
I mean, I'm extrapolating, but that's the basic thing.
Well, there are different things to be said about this.
I mean, first of all, you know, how many psychiatric residents who are the people who come most in contact with schizophrenics, whatever that means,
how many psychiatric residents have ever seen an undrugged schizophrenic?
Very, very few, because the very first thing that happens is for the convenience of physicians and the nursing staff, some outlandish drug is brought into the picture,
which then deflects this healing process from ever reaching any kind of natural conclusion.
Schizophrenia is just a catch-all term for mental forms of mental behavior that we don't understand.
In the 19th century there was a term melancholia, which we would now call bipolar depression and so forth and so on.
But all forms of sadness, unhappiness, maladaptation, so forth and so on were poured into this label melancholia.
Now, schizophrenia is a similar thing.
I can remember an experience I had years ago.
I was in the Tolman Library at the University of California, which is the psych library, and I was looking up some drug or something.
And I just saw a book and I pulled it off the shelf, a book about schizophrenia.
And it said, the typical schizophrenic lives in a world of twilight imagining, marginal to his society, incapable of holding a regular job.
These people live on the fringes, content to drift in their own self-created value system.
I said, that's it. That's it. Now I understand.
We have no tradition of shamanism. We have no tradition of journeying into these mental worlds.
We are terrified of madness. We fear it because the Western mind is a house of cards.
And the people who built that house of cards know that.
And they are terrified of madness.
Tim Leary once said, or I gave him credit for saying, he later told me he never said it.
But whoever said it, this was a brilliant statement.
Someone once said, LSD is a psychedelic substance which occasionally causes psychotic behavior in people who have not taken it.
Right? That more people have exhibited psychotic behavior from not taking LSD but just thinking about it than ever exhibited it from taking it.
Certainly in my family, I watch my parents both go psychotic from the mere fact that LSD existed.
They would never have taken it. There is a great phobia about the mind.
The Western mind is very queasy when first principles are questioned.
Rarer than corpses in this society are the untreated mad because we can't come to terms with that.
A shaman is someone who swims in the same ocean as a schizophrenic.
But the shaman has thousands and thousands of years of sanctioned technique and tradition to draw upon.
In a traditional society, if you exhibit quote unquote schizophrenic tendencies, you are immediately drawn out of the pack and put under the care and tutelage of master shamans.
You are told you are special. Your abilities are very central to the health of our society.
You will cure. You will prophesy. You will guide our society in its most fundamental decisions.
Contrast this with what a person exhibiting schizophrenic activity in our society is told.
You don't fit in. You are becoming a problem. You don't pull your own weight.
You are not of equal worth to the rest of us. You are sick. You have to go to the hospital. You have to be locked up.
You are on a par with prisoners and lost dogs in our society.
So that treatment of schizophrenia makes it incurable.
Imagine if you were slightly odd and the solution were to take you and put you, lock you into a place where everyone was seriously mad.
That would drive anyone mad.
If you've ever been in a madhouse, you know that it's an environment calculated to make you crazy and to keep you crazy.
This would never happen in an aboriginal or traditional society.
I wrote a book. I mean, this has to be the wrap up because we're over time.
But I wrote a book called The Archaic Revival. I signed it tonight for some of you.
The idea there is that we have gone sick by following a path of untrammeled rationalism, male dominance, attention to the visible surface of things, practicality, bottom line-ism.
We have gone very, very sick.
And the body politic, like any body, when it feels itself to be sick, it begins to produce antibodies or strategies for overcoming the condition of dis-ease.
And the 20th century is an enormous effort at self-healing.
Phenomena as diverse as surrealism, body piercing, psychedelic drug use, sexual permissiveness, jazz, experimental dance, rave culture, tattooing.
The list is endless.
What do all these things have in common?
They represent various styles of rejection of linear values.
The society is trying to cure itself by an archaic revival, by a reversion to archaic values.
So when I see people manifesting sexual ambiguity or scarifying themselves or showing a lot of flesh or dancing to syncopated music or getting loaded or violating ordinary canons of sexual behavior,
I applaud all of this because it's an impulse to return to what is felt by the body, what is authentic, what is archaic.
And when you tease apart these archaic impulses, at the very center of all these impulses is the desire to return to a world of magical empowerment of feeling.
And at the center of that impulse is the shaman, stoned, intoxicated on plants, speaking with the spirit helpers, dancing in the moonlight and vivifying and invoking a world of conscious living mystery.
That's what the world is. The world is not an unsolved problem for scientists or sociologists.
The world is a living mystery. Our birth, our death, our being in the moment, these are mysteries.
They are doorways opening on to unimaginable vistas of self-exploration, empowerment and hope for the human enterprise.
And our culture has killed that, taken it away from us, made us consumers of shoddy products and shoddier ideals.
We have to get away from that. And the way to get away from it is by a return to the authentic experience of the body.
And that means sexually empowering ourselves and it means getting loaded, exploring the mind as a tool for personal and social transformation.
The hour is late. The clock is ticking. We will be judged very harshly if we fumble the ball.
We are the inheritors of millions and millions of years of successfully lived lives and successful adaptations to changing conditions in the natural world.
Now the challenge passes to us. The living that the yet to be born may have a place to put their feet and a sky to walk under.
And that's what the psychedelic experience is about, is caring for, empowering and building a future that honors the past, honors the planet and honors the power of the human imagination.
There is nothing as powerful, as capable of transforming itself and the planet as the human imagination.
Let's not sell it straight. Let's not whore ourselves to nitwit ideologies.
Let's not give our control over to the least among us. Rather, you know, claim your place in the sun and go forward into the light.
The tools are there. The path is known. You simply have to turn your back on a culture that has gone sterile and dead and get with the program of a living world and a re-empowerment of the imagination.
Thank you very, very much. Thank you.

terence mckenna at an earth trust speakers program event on consciousness, evolution, and the botany of psychedelic compounds

erik davis's expanding mind podcast with ethnobotanist dennis mckenna on ayahuasca, dmt, shamanism and the bridge between scientific and spiritual approaches to visionary plants.











