Indras Net

This talk traces Alan Watts's explanation of two doctrines from Huayan and Mahayana Buddhism, riji muge and jiji muge, moving from the tension between seeing the world as unity versus multiplicity toward a full account of universal interdependence. He opens with the practical bind of needing to attend to particulars in business and family life while also sensing an underlying unity, and resolves it through riji muge, the principle that the universal and the particular are not incompatible, illustrated by how shape and color unite in a red circle without ever becoming the same thing. From there he argues for a properly rounded out person who is both spiritual and material, contrasting the boredom of pure materialism with the unsettling intensity of excessive spirituality, and uses the example of a clergyman's affair to show how the West wrongly treats the spiritual and material as mutually exclusive. He then introduces jiji muge, the highest doctrine of Mahayana Buddhism, describing it through the image of Indra's net from the Avatamsaka Sutra: an infinite spider's web of dewdrops at dawn, each drop reflecting every other drop, which in turn reflects all the others without end. Watts uses this to explain that every event implies the whole universe and the whole universe depends on every event, from Socrates to an anonymous John Doe to the beat of a fruit fly's wing, and illustrates the point with the Zen image of a chain link that brings up every other link when it is lifted. He extends the idea to defend poetic language against the pathetic fallacy, arguing that the moon can be said to look round with delight through the poet because the two are symptoms of the same interdependent world. The talk closes on the paradox that each person is simultaneously nothing without everyone else and the linchpin the whole universe depends on, a vision Watts calls a colossal democracy in which everybody is boss and nobody is boss.
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Here's Alan Watts
You start from noticing all the particular things and being baffled by their multiplicity and dealing with the multiplicity of things
But as you go into this you discover as you understand things, what do you mean when you understand things?
it means you become aware of their relationships to each other and
Eventually you see the unity behind them
and
It is as if the multiplicity of the world
dissolved into unity
And so here you encounter a problem I
Can see the world as a unity I
Can see the world as a multiplicity, but how the devil am I going to put the two visions together?
If I am to be a practical success
In business in family life and so on I have to observe the world of particulars
its particulars that matter I
Have to know chalk from cheese
but if I become a
Saint a monk or a hermit then I can or even perhaps a poet or an artist
I will forget about the practical matters and contemplate the unity
the secret meaning underlying all events
But then every all those people people are going to say to me you're you're falling down on the job you've escaped from life
Because they feel that the world of particulars is the real world, but the other guy says no your particulars are not real
You make a success of things. Yes, but it's completely temporary
You think you're an important person that you're really contributing to human life
but actually
Your success in doing this sort of thing lasts for a few years and then you fall apart like everybody else does
Where's your success now when you're dead?
What happened to the millions of dollars you made?
Where are you all gone? So that isn't real?
From the standpoint of the person who concentrates on the unity
So then to perfect our understanding we have to go to the third of these worlds, which is called
Riji Muge
Now that means between re the unity and G the particulars
Moo, there is no guess
That means the world of the universal and the world particulars are not incompatible
Let's take two very different things
And see how they can be united take shape and color
Never in a million years. Can you with a black pencil that can draw shapes make red?
But if you have read you can draw a circle
You can draw a red circle even though the circle shape and the red color
Will never be the same
Yet red circle they go beautifully together
So think of circle as G and red as re
The circle is the particular the color is the universal they go together
so
Then we might say the properly rounded out person
Is both spiritual and material both
Other worldly and worldly
This is the supreme attainment of the human being
to be both
don't get one-sided a person who is
What you might call just a materialist
Ends up by being very boring
It's you know, you can live the successful life of the world and
You can own every kind of material refinement
You can have the most beautiful
Home
delicious food
marvelous yachts and cars and
everything
but if you have no touch of mysticism it eventually is all perfectly boring and
You will get tired of it
Then on the other hand there are people who are purely spiritual and
They live in a kind of dry world where all luxury has been scrubbed away and
They are very intense people when you are in their presence of the very spiritual person an excessively spiritual person
You feel inclined to sit on the edge of your chair. You are not at ease
because you know the eye of judgment is looking through you and
Going down into your very soul and finding that you're just a scallywag after all
and here's this absolutely sincere this dreadfully honest and
Unselfish person this is something which is always puzzling to people brought up in a Western environment
Because
Great spiritual people
Are often very very senses
Because they they can't be materialist
In the ordinary sense they can't be
straight open sensuous
Because for them the world is too wonderful for that
Any any human being is too marvelous to be treated as just a kind of sexual object
They may be very much a sexual object, but so marvelous
You have to stop with it and really go into the whole of that marvelous wonderful
personality
So there is a trouble keeps coming up for the West
when you go to church, and you suddenly go to a church where there's a marvelous clergyman and
You think he is a very exemplar of life
And you idealize him and then suddenly there develops a frightful scandal
that
he has an affair with his secretary and
You think all is lost that the faith has been sold out that
everything is going to rack and ruin
because he was not purely spiritual and
He himself may be terribly confused and worried about this
Because in our world you see we make the spiritual and the material mutually exclusive
But read gmugga this third world means that between the spiritual and the material there is no obstruction
So we might say this
Would sound as if it were the
highest level
But it's one more to come
Which is called GG mugge?
This means then a suddenly he has disappeared
But between G and G there is no obstruction
Between one event and any other event or events there is no
Mutual exclusiveness shall I put it that way?
This is the doctrine the highest doctrine of Mahayana Buddhism
which you could call the doctrine of the mutual interpenetration of all things or
the mutual interdependence of all things and
Its symbol is the what is called Indra's net that is used in the avatar Suka Sutra
Imagine at dawn and
Three-dimensional spiders web covered in dew a
Vast vast spiders web that is the whole cosmos and
There's not only a kind of a flat thing about a solid thing and a solid in four five six and n dimensions
Covered with
Jewels of dew all of which have rainbow coloring and
Every drop of dew contains in it the reflection of every other drop of dew and
Since every drop of dew contains the reflections of all the others
Each reflected drop of dew contains the reflections and see of all the others and so at infinite
Now this is the Mahayana vision of the world
Which is to say this is relativity?
that
Whatever exists in this world and
Is characterized as something particular as a thing as an event has something or other you see as a unit?
This does not exist without all other such things and events
So that you might say any one event implies all events
and
All events the total universe past present and future
Depends on every single member
In other words you may say I can understand that I depend on this whole universe
There could not be me unless there was everything else. It is harder to see the
corollary of that
That the whole universe depends on you
You might say well
how can that be because I come into being and then I go out of being and
When I'm before I was born. I'm sure the universe was here and
After I die, I'm sure it will go on. How can you say then that the whole thing depends on me very simply?
It depends on your supposing you're dead and we're talking about someone in the past. Let's say we're talking about Socrates
and
I'm going to say this whole universe depends on Socrates I
May put it more exactly
It depends on Socrates having existed
You see your parents now
Some of your parents may be alive, but some of your parents may be dead
Without your parents you would not have come into being
So you depend on your parents even when your parents have gone?
So everything
Even when you disappear the universe will still depend on you on
Your having been here or you have not yet arrived. It depends on you're going to be here
So we can say obviously going back to Socrates
The fact that Socrates existed tells us something about the kind of world we're living in
this world once
Socrates
And that Socrates and his wisdom was a symptom of the kind of universe
We're living in in just the same way as I showed you that an apple is a symptom of a tree
Certain kind of tree tells us something about that tree what it functions how it produces things
So a world which produced Socrates or a world which produced John Doe
Who was nobody in particular and nobody ever remembered him or thought to
write his biography
Nevertheless for all his obscurity the whole universe depends on him and it depends equally on every fruit fly
Every gnat every vibration of every gnat's wing and it depends on every last electron
However brief its manifestation may be
So that what what this is saying is
That everything that there is
You
Implies everything else and all those other things
Collectively in their totality which we call the universe in turn imply
Each individual object event and so on that's the meaning of him brothers net
So that
This is called in Zen to take up a blade of grass and use it as
a golden Buddha 16 feet high
When you have a chain and you pick up a link all the other links come up with it
see
Because it implies if this is a link it is a link in a chain if it isn't it's just an oval piece of metal
But if it's a link
Up come all other links
so if you are
event
Every event no, no such thing as a single event. The only possible single event
Is all events whatsoever?
That could be regarded as the only possible atom
The only possible single thing is everything
But the things that we call things all in imply each other. We know
What we are only in relation to what what we aren't
We know of the sensation of oneself only in relation to a sensation of something other
So the other goes with the self as the back goes with the front
and your life, however short
Everything depends on it
If that did not happen nothing would happen
So in this sense the whole world bears your signature
It would not be the same world if it weren't for you
You've heard haven't you what is called the pathetic fallacy?
This was a idea
Of the 19th century
which said that
It was false wrong to project human feelings on the world
The wind in the pine trees is not sighing if you were sighing
The Sun is not happy
If you are who are happy when the Sun shines, so don't mix up
Your happiness with the Sun the Sun has no feeling the Sun is not human the wind has no feeling and is not human
The poet says the moon
Doth with delight look round her when the heavens are bare
and
The logician says no the poet looks round with delight at the moon in the bare heavens
How awful I
Mean if that's what is if that's the point you see better not say any poetry just have prose
But actually the moon does look round with delight when the poet looks round with delight because
The world of which one symptom is the moon is the same world of which another symptom is the poet
They go together a world where there is a moon implies a world where there is a poet a
World whether it's a poet implies a world where there is a moon
So in this sense the moon can be said to look round with delight through the agency of the poet
Because
You can't separate poet and moon
Just as you can't separate head and feet without destroying the unity of the body
So in that sense then this whole world is a human world
And we should not take the silly attitude
Philosophy called the philosophy of the pathetic fallacy
Which says outside our skins it's all inhuman and dumb and blind force
And only inside that the skin is there a human world
All this world is human
Because it depends not only on the existence of humanity in general
But on the existence of Mary Smith in particular
So the whole world is covered as it were with your personal signature
But at that moment when you suddenly seem to be everything and to be
Mr.. A you know
You suddenly see the obverse of this that your particular personality
Is nothing at all without everything else?
without everybody else I
Need in order to be Alan Watts. I need every single other human being and the
Uncontrollable the uncontrollable otherness of all those other human beings that I can't do anything about they're going to be themselves whatever I do and
yet at the same time I
Depend on all that difference from me and yet they all depend
Likewise on me
So that I'm in a very funny position
the moment I would
Be ego lowless and say I'm nothing without you
Then suddenly I find I'm the kingpin they all depend on me then suddenly when I get
Swell headed about being the kingpin I find I'm nothing at all without them
So everything keeps going
But a bit of blood in other words the moment you think got it in one state it transforms itself into the other
That's the Gigi Muge
Now in Gigi Muge you see
You've got a vision of the world
in which
Everybody is boss and nobody is boss
There is no one boss who governs the whole thing it takes care of itself, it's a colossal democracy
But yet every man and every who we sue and every snail is king in this world

a 1971 lecture at the first unitarian church in san francisco in which alan watts uses the hindu goddess kali as a counterimage to god the father, arguing that fixed images of god

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