Starwood

All right. Can you hear in the back? Yeah, is the sound comfortable for everyone? Is the light comfortable for everyone? And are you comfortable?

Well, you shouldn't be. The planet's going to shit in a handbag. No, I mean, that's just my John Lilly imitation. Not me at all.

I'll circulate these now. If you're interested in an intensive rain forest ethno-psychobotany intensive at Palenque in the state of Chiapas next January, and you haven't gotten one of those, there it is. And then that gets the hype out of the way right at the beginning.

So, most of you were probably at the talk I gave yesterday. Is that basically safe to assume? Yes.

So, I thought today I would talk a little bit. And then I think these things are much more interesting for me if they're interactive.

And people bring all kinds of agendas to these things. And I don't know whether people want to talk philosophy or recipes.

I don't know whether they want to talk politics or, you know, share experiences. So, I want to just, in order to make sure we all understand the domain we're operating from here, I would like to talk a little bit about what it's like to be loaded.

Because I think that's the ground zero of what we're talking about. Psychedelics are like any other social phenomena. There are a lot of wannabes. There are a lot of people who are along for the ride.

I'm sure the pagan community is no stranger to this phenomenon because there are certain residual spin-offs if you proclaim yourself pagan that are hard to obtain any other way.

Similarly, similarly for being psychedelic. So, some of you have heard me do this before but it's a personal thing and yet it's a general thing. My notion of the psychedelic cosmogony, if you want to think of it that way, it's like a bullseye.

It's like a series of concentric circles and various substances place you in various quadrants of that mandala at various distances from ground zero which is at the absolute center.

And nature and nature in her bounty has provided various coordination points. I mean there's the cannabis coordination points, the opiate coordination points, the tropanes that were so important in European witchcraft, the solanaceous plants, hyothiamine, those things.

That's a different chemical family and a different group of plant families that these compounds occur in.

And in, you know, I've been at this fairly steadily since 1964 and I've tried to do everything with a certain level of attention and reverence because I think that, you know, it's all very fine to go armed with the knowledge of pharmacology, dose-response, L-D-60,

and all that. But I think as pagans and magicians we really understand that the mind can do anything.

And there's the mind can do anything.

And there's a horribly frightening little passage in Jung somewhere where he says the unconscious has a thousand ways to terminate a life that has become meaningless, meaning, you know, you'll step in front of a streetcar or something.

So in my lifetime of looking at these things and being interested in many other things as well,

uh, heresy, uh, obscure backwaters of art history and literature, uh, peculiar philosophies that rose and fell centuries ago in obscure parts of the world.

Every theory of life exploration is to run edges.

And I've mellowed over the years, but I used to say, if a book isn't a hundred years old, you shouldn't read it.

If a person isn't dead, you shouldn't worry about them. If they wrote in English, you shouldn't bother with them and so forth and so on.

In the course of sorting out as many peculiar and bizarre possibilities as life could offer me in many places, uh, my attitude was always critical.

My attitude was always a show me attitude. I don't believe in faith. I don't believe in belief. My favorite gospel story is the story of the apostle Thomas, who was not present when Christ came the first time after the resurrection to the upper room.

And then later Thomas came to the apostles and they said, uh, the master has been here. And he said, you guys have been smoking too much of that red lab.

And then Christ came again. But in this conversation with the apostles, Thomas said, unless I put my hand into the wound, I will not believe it.

And then time passed. And then Christ came again to the upper room. And he said, Thomas, come forward. Put your hand into the wound. And he did. And then he said, Lord, I am not worthy. So forth and so on.

My conclusion about this story is that alone, among all humanity in all times and places, only one person ever touched the incorporeal body of God.

Thomas, Thomas the doubter touched, because he doubted. It was not necessary that the believers should be about to say such a boon. But the doubter was awarded the supreme enlightenment.

Okay, so much for that. So my, my, my thing has always been, whether you present me with a diet, a social arrangement, society, a sexual conundrum, a work of art, my, my criteria is, is it shit? Or is it chinola?

And I'm happy to give you the benefit of my personal life experience proceeding along those lines.

I want to talk about what to my mind is the quintessential palestinogen and consequently, the quintessential spiritual and magical tool of this dimension.

And that is DMT, a compound that occurs in the human nervous system. It occurs in many, many plants. It is the commonest palestinogen in all of nature.

And I don't know how you got to where you are this afternoon. But the way I got here is, uh, by testing and by hoping and by pursuing a magical, that's the word, a miraculous, a transcendental ideal that over the course of life experience strips

from you. You know, you have to get a job. You have to get a job. Your first love is not your last love. Slowly, this pristine, shining belief in perfectibility is eroded by the swings and arrows of outrageous fortune.

You know, you know, the dark oxen that turn the millstones of the world. But I'm here to tell you that it is real. There is a doorway into another dimension.

Aladdin's lamp is real. Fairyland is real. Magic is real. In the most real sense. In the same sense that what we call reality is real. And I learned this, uh, through this compound. And one of the great puzzles about this,

about this compound is why more people don't know about it. No brotherhood initiated me. No lineage reaching back to the fall of Atlantis brought me into its circle.

Uh, therefore, uh, therefore, I feel completely free to say anything I want. Nobody has ever come to me and said, you are spilling the beans. You are telling the secret. Uh, a long, long time ago, and you know, we all have different opinions. This is mine. Uh, I hope it doesn't withstand.

But a long, long, long time ago, I took an oath to tell all secrets that came my way. Don't tell me a secret. I won't keep it. I'm against secrets. I'm against hierarchies, lineages, uh, all assumption of special knowledge on the part of anyone in the presence of anyone else is abhorrent to me.

I mean, I am a true anarchist, first and foremost. So, uh, DMT, like all things in this world, has a physical body, a presence and a presentation. In this case, it looks rather like earwax.

Uh, it is orange. It is crystalline. It smells vaguely of mothballs. And, uh, for my money, it is the Atlantis, the Quintexens, the universal panacea at the end of time has sent a reflection back through the temporal labyrinth.

And wherever this touches, wherever this compresses, the mystery is fully present. So, what is it then? Well, it's an experience. And I maintain it's the most intense experience you can have this side of the yawning grave.

Without doubt. And people say, is it dangerous? Well, the answer is, only if you fear death by astonishment.

Yes, that's a joke here. It's not a joke there. Because you find yourself literally holding your heart to verify that you have not, in fact, had a coronary thrombosis induced by wonder, terror, reverence, and astonishment.

So, here it is, the Quintexens, the orange thing. Was it transponded in from Arturus? Was it handed down through some ancient eldritch brotherhood that found this secret before the pyramids were built?

Who can say? Whatever it is, wherever it comes from, here's what happens when you allow it to pass through the blood-brain barrier of your own alcanical vessel, which is your body.

The first thing that happens is that there is a sense as though all the air in the room had been sucked out. All the colors brightened. This is that increase in visual acuity that I made so much of yesterday.

All edges become sharp. Distant things stand out in their clarity. This is at one toque. At two toques, you close your eyes. You feel a sense of anesthesia seeping through your body. You close your eyes and you see a floral pattern rotating in space, usually yellow-orange.

People who do this occasionally, and nobody does it a lot, call it the chrysanthemum. It's a floral pattern, like a pattern in a Chinese brocade. This forms and stabilizes, and then you either break through it, or you require one more toque.

And these are matters of physiology, shamanic intent, and so forth and so on. The leather-long cash smokers among us have a leg up in this department. This is a spiritual discipline where the ability not to claw makes the difference between shunyata and, you know, try again, say it.

So, you take, let us assume, a third toque, long and slow, through a glass pipe. Pure, you vaporize this stuff. You don't mix it with weed or oregano or any of that, which was done in the past. You want the pure stuff.

And you take it in and in and in and in and there is definitely somewhere in here a threshold, a threshold which you must exceed. And when you do that, this membrane-like thing, this chrysanthemum, will actually part.

And there is a sound, like the crumpling of a plastic bread wrapper, or the crackling of flame. A friend of mine says, this is the radio intellecti of your soul exiting through the anterior fontanelle at the top of your head.

Could be, in any case, this crackling sound, and a tone, a tone. And then there is this impression of transition. And you are now 20 seconds deep into this experience. There is an impression of transition.

There, it's as though there were a series of tunnels or chambers that you are tumbling down, being propelled by some kind of muscle behind you that is pushing you.

I mean, yep, first canal, yep, yep, of course. But anyway, a tunnel. And what I've noticed about this tunnel is that the walls and ceiling

flops and come down to meet each other and where they touch, they pull apart with the...

and then you're propelled into the next space and then the next, and then the next, and then there is this...

and then you are there and this is what i want to talk to you about because of all communities

that i i hope perhaps collectively someone can say something enlightening about this

then you are there and where is there it's underground how you know this you cannot say

that there is an irreconcilable sense of enormous mass surrounding you in other words you are underground

you're at the center of a mountain or something and you're in a room which aficionados call the

dome and people will ask each other did you see the dome were you there it's softly lit indirectly

lit and the um the walls such they be are crawling with geometric hallucinations

uh very brightly colored very iridescent with deep sheens and very high reflective surfaces

everything is machine like and polished and throbbing with energy but that is not what

immediately arrests my attention what arrests my attention is the fact that this space

is inhabited that the immediate impression as you break into it is there is a cheer

the gnomes have learned a new way to say you break into this space and are immediately swarmed

by sweeping self-transforming elf machines these things which are made of light and grammar and sound that come

chirping and squealing and tumbling towards you and they say hooray welcome you're here and in my case you send so

many you come so rarely and and my my immediate impression no matter how many times i do this and i've done it

maybe 30 or 40 times it isn't a lot in a lifetime of worshiping it my immediate impression is that they

are welcoming there is something going on which i over the years come to call love l-u-v not like utility

vehicle but love that is not like heroes or not like sexual attraction

i don't know what it's like exactly it's almost like a physical thing it's like a glue that pours out into this space

and my immediate impression in there is i'm appalled i'm appalled at how far i come

and one of the strange things about dmt is that it does not affect your mind in the ordinary sense in that

you know drugs they make you giggly they frighten you they stimulate you they depress you dmt does none of

this you go to that place you go to that place with all your groceries you're there and you're there thinking jesus h

what is it what is it and there and because and you're thinking i must be dead i've done it this time

psychedelic mantra i've done it this time i must be dead and so you you know you think heart heart yes

heart pulse pulse yes yes and meanwhile these things are literally in your face and what they do is they jump into your chest

and then they jump out again and what they're doing and this is the point of this what they're doing

is they are singing in some kind of language that is very bizarre to hear

but what is far more important is that you can see it they speak in the language which you see

and this is completely confounding because syntax is not something you ordinarily reach out and touch

and in this space that's what's happening and so like jewel self-dribbling basketballs these things come

running forward and what they are doing with this visible language that they create is they're making gifts

gifts for you and they will say which condenses as something which looks like a cross between a soft

with camel a havana cigar a piece of abalone and opal and just milky and they offer and you're looking at this

thing and as you look at it it also transforms changes speaks things uh undergoes metastasis undergoes

metamorphosis and these things are just accumulating and each elf machine

creature elbows others aside says look at this look at this take this choose me and as you direct your

attention into these things you have the overwhelming conviction that if you could bring

a single one of these objects back to this world that somehow you wouldn't have to say anything

you would just walk up to people and say friend

and you go oh my god you know you've got a piece of the action a real action

so um this state of ecstatic frenzy and it's it's like a bug bunny cartoon running backwards in

primers states or nothing this state of incredible frenzy goes on for about three minutes and all the

time the elves are saying don't give way to wonder do not abandon yourself to amazement pay attention pay

attention look at what we're doing look at what we're doing and then do it and it's this thing where then

everything stops and they wait and you feel like a torch a spark lit in your belly that begins to move up

your esophagus and eventually when it reaches your mouth your mouth just flies open and this language like stuff comes out acoustically it's

like you're you're not hearing the startle friends who sent you to this place they're playing up with this

what you're experiencing is a visual modality where these tones are surfaces shading colors

insects jewels you are making something

you know erase move forward as cerulean putting stickling it's that sort of thing

and um and they go mad with joy when you do this and then you know this goes on for about 30 seconds and then there is like a ripple

through the system and you realize these two continua are being pulled apart

and i had one trip where the the and often it's very erotic although i'm not sure that's the word but

it's something it's almost like sex is the surface of something of which this is the volume and i'm a great fan

of sex i don't mean to denigrate it i mean to raise the mt to a very high status but it's it's astonishing

and one trip as the pull away maneuver began all the elves turned simultaneously and looked at me and said

so this is an experience which in some form i mean it will be different for each one of you

but in some form at least what will be similar to my description is how dramatic it will be

it will hit you as hard as it hit me if you do it right this to me this experience is of a fundamentally different order

than any other experience this side of the yawning grave and why religions have not been built around

it why empires have not risen and fallen around the control of its sources why theology has not enshrined

it as it centrally visits for the presence of the other in the human world i don't know i can tell

the speaker as you know this

nothing shuts me up but why this is not foreign headlines on every newspaper on the planet

i cannot understand because i don't know what news you were waiting for but this is the news

that i was waiting for it's an incredible challenge to human understanding to try and make sense of

this and i started out you know reading young doing my hindu you know getting up to speed with all that

studying zen buddhism studying shamanism the thing that toggles me about dmt is how little trace

there is of it in the human world i can't point to a period in european art or the art of some group

of islanders somewhere and say that is very much like dmt it isn't and yet the dmt thing is it's like

an avalanche of orgasmic beauty but a certain kind of beauty the only words that i can find for the kind

of beauty that it is is bizarre alien outlandish outlandish sweet and at the very edge of what the

human mind seems to be able to hold well where is this coming from and what is happening and and this

is what i like to discuss with people such as yourself who have wide experience in the world and

in the realms of the unseen this has to be taken seriously in other words the it's only a hallucination

thing that's for shift it's just have to say i mean reality is only a hallucination for crying out loud

have you heard so that makes care of that it's only a hallucination what we've got here folks is an

intelligent intellecti of some sort that is frantic to communicate with human beings for some reason

and possibilities can be logically enumerated and what we've got here is either this is an extraterrestrial

you know evolved in it around a different star possibly with a different biology may not even be made of matter

came across an enormous distance sometime maybe long ago has some agenda which we may or may not be able to

conceive of this is it the real thing as the little girl said in poltergeist they're here so that's one

possibility that's just one possibility uh and i i present these without judgment because i'm not sure

uh uh uh if an extraterrestrial wanted to interact with the human society and it had ethics that forbade

it from landing trillion ton beryllium ships from the united nations plaza in other words if it were subtle

i can see hiding yourself inside the shamanic intoxication you would say let's analyze these people okay

they're kind of hard-headed rationalists except they have this phenomenon called getting loaded and when

they get loaded they accept whatever happens so let's hide inside the load and we'll talk to them from

there and they'll never realize that we're of a different status than paint elephants okay that's one

possibility now another possibility is that this is not about extraterrestrial flight and enormous technologies

and distant homeland that uh and this is maybe closer to friendlier to pagan notion that there is a parallel

continuum nearby nearby essentially right here and call it fairyland call it the western realm whatever you

like that you don't go there in the starship you go there through magical doorways which are open via ritual and

uh uh and uh and things like that and uh and things like that that is a possibility as well certainly human folklore in all times and places except western europe for the last 300 years has insisted that these parallel domains of intelligence and

uh and uh uh uh organization exist there is a third possibility which i leave it to you to decide whether this is the

more conservative position or the more radical position and i reached this reluctantly and i'm not sure this is my position but

these things have that these things have that weird these types as i call them these self-transforming

machinels these these syntactical homunculi have a very weird relationship to human beings first of all they love us

they care for some reason whoever and whatever they are they're far more aware of

us then we are aware of them i mean witness the fact that they welcome me uh so is it possible

that at the end of the 20th century at the end of 500 years of materialism reductionism positivism

what we're about to discover is probably the least likely been in law any of us expected out of our

dilemma what we're about to discover is that death has no thing that what you penetrate on dmt is an ecology of

human soul in another dimension of some sort i mean this is just hair raising to me and i have my whole

adolescence and early adulthood getting free from uh catholicism and interfunctions and i never imagined that a

thorough exploration of life of ministry would lead to the conclusion that in fact uh this is but a prelude

we are in a very tiny womb of some sort our lives are devastation and this is not

where we are destined to unfold ourselves into what it means to be human this is some kind of a metamorphic

stage like the pupus of a butterfly and so uh this this is deep water

nature because you know we are fairly agitated over the fact that we fear the planet is dying and other with it

this stuff raises the issue that you don't know what dying is therefore it's very uncertain exactly

what sort of an attitude we should take to it and as i say i am not advocating a position

mysteries mysteries are not unsolved problems they are mysteries when you stand naked in the presence of

the mystery it is still utterly and completely mysterious but i enjoy talking to people about this

because i think that the human body the human mind these are tools for the soul to use in the effort to

unlock its meaning and its destiny and uh millions of people perhaps billions of people have gone to the grave

without knowing that this is possible this experience that i've just described to you

and it's perfectly harmless i mean i think that if science would uh back out of politics and do its work we could establish that dmt is the most

most harmless the safest of all hallucinogens the fact that it occurs naturally in the human brain

is the first clue to the fact that it's benign the second clue is the fact that uh it only lasts

8 to 12 minutes what that means to a pharmacologist is the body perfectly understands what to do

this compound you take a hit at dmt and your body says oh i recognize this uh activate the animation cycle

it knows what to do and so within 10 minutes you're down uh a drug that you take and 48 hours later you're lying

around in warm baths and refusing telephone calls is a drug you shouldn't have taken

it because it's hitting you too hard that's not it's not clean it's not blue dmt the most powerful

hallucinogen known to man and science clears your system in 15 minutes i mean you're so down

you can't you don't have a small dead egg or need to take a nap or anything you're ready to do phone calls

so how can it be then that the compound which each of us carries right here right in the pineal gland

right in the ajna chakra the philosopher's stone is no further away than that how can this be secret

from us how can we be trapped in a dimension of such limitation and such mundaneness in our own nervous

system and the ecology around us and our own history over the past half million years argue that this is

what we were born and bred for this is where we belong this is what that play in the fields of the

goddess must mean and somehow history has uh made us dysfunctional buried the mystery made it uh uh

is at best a piece of secret knowledge jealously guarded by somebody i mean i don't know there are lots of

mystery cults and secret societies in the world i don't know if any of them are guarding dmt

as a secret i i think maybe so no one told me to keep my mouth shut uh if a very suggestive short story

i'm sure many of you know and love the the argentine surrealist writer jorge luis borges well borges

has a book i believe it's called labyrinth and in labyrinth there is a short story called the sex

of the phoenix and it says there is a sacrament older than mankind the sectarians have been the victims

of every persecution in human history and the sectarians have been the purveyors of every persecution

in history these sectarians are not identifiable by race or place or language or time to the adept the

ministry appears ridiculous yet they do not speak of it one child can initiate another it is orange ruins are

propitious are propitious places do it in the moonlight in the threat at the thresholds of buildings and that's all that said it's a page and a half and it's like yes and and see here's the thing i mean i'm not as articulate on this subject as i wish i could be if this is not the secret that these lineages are guarding

they're guarding then they're guarding then they're guarding an empty house this is the secret it is it is it cannot be anything else it is the neo-slautonist one it is the transubstantian

and i'm not saying that people have known about this for a long time uh dmt is in many plants as i said but spread very

spread very commonly and we don't have historical records and anyone ever concentrating on it i've done the dmt plant

uh plant preparations of the anzon the snuff and the ayahuasca and

On ayahuasca, if it is heavily laced with the DMT-containing plant,

after hours of breathwork and drumming alone in the jungle,

you can begin to open it up to the place that DMT will carry you to

in 45 seconds in an Upper East Side apartment, whether you like it or not.

So, and I, some of you may have seen, I don't, years and years ago,

this B-movie about a guy who has a big ranch in Mexico,

and one of the campesinos comes rushing back from having encountered a bronzes store in the forest,

and he can only point inarticulately at the woods and say,

something, something, something, something,

and that's what I am.

I'm a monkey, and I come back to the truth,

and I'm telling you, there's something over the next hill that is off the scale,

off the scale, and I have made it my business to, you know, delve.

I'm a delver, I'm a noethic archaeologist,

I'm, there's obscure hereties, and strange rites,

and all of this stuff, been there, done that,

it's all pale soup compared to this.

And so, I, I hyphed it to you.

He said, you can't go further into the bargo and return.

And so, I think that we stand at the brink of an enormous frontier,

call it incorporeality, call it non-material existence,

or, you know, bite the bullet, call it death,

but this is the frontier that we stand on the edge of.

This is what history has been about.

History has been some kind of suicide plot for 15,000 years.

Not a moment passed, but the plot was not advanced.

Closer and closer and closer and closer and closer to completion.

And now, in the 20th century, you know,

we see that this thing, this transcendental object at the end of time,

this detractor that has been, that chose us out of the animal kingdom

and sculpted the neocortex, opposed the thumb,

stood us on our hind legs, gave us binocular vision.

This thing is calling us toward itself across eons of cosmic time.

We are asked to mirror it.

And as we mirror it, we become more of a testament.

And as we become more of a testament,

we leave behind the animal organization that we were cast in in the beginning.

And what this is about, who knows?

You know, is this a drama of cosmic redemption?

Is it the transcendental other at the end of time?

Is it a Gnostic demon?

Is it Il-Dabu-la?

What is it?

We do not know.

But I really believe we are in the era when we will come to know.

And what the psychedelics are, are periscopes in the temporal dimension.

If you want to see a little bit into the future,

elevate your psychedelic periscope outside of the three-dimensional continuum

and peer around.

For thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years,

we have been pulled toward this omega point.

The earth is like an egg.

It has come to its moment of fructification.

The dawn that has been anticipated since we were herding our cattle across the plains of Africa

is now upon us.

The east is streaked with the blush of rosy dawn.

It is coming upon us.

And I think that it will redeem history.

That history is not a nightmare.

It is a passage.

It is an initiation.

Think of the fetus in the womb at the moment of transition.

Surely it must despair.

The walls are closing in.

It is being crushed and strangled.

Gone are the endless amniotic oceans of a few months before.

The weightlessness.

The effortless delivery of food through the umbilical cord.

Suddenly, it is just boundaries and agony and crushing pressure.

That's where we are.

And we are going to have to shed history like a snake sheds its skin

if we want to slip off into hyperspace

where I think all of magical humanity is awaiting us

and cheering us on, lending their weight.

They are all out there, you know, Proclus, and Platonus, and Plato, and Carpathia,

and Henry Cornelius, and Griffith, and John Dee, and Robert Flood, and Elias Lepi.

They are all out there pulling for us.

And every shaman and shamanist, every magician, practitioner,

as far back in time as you go, was part of the plan.

The conjuration, the great work, the distillation of the quintessence

in history is a magical invocation.

And at the end of that invocation, if it is correctly done,

all boundaries will dissolve into the stone, the lapis,

a transdimensional vehicle that can move through space and time

that is the collectivity of all human souls

free and perhaps in what will you play?

And you don't have to wait for the general dispensation.

You can join up anytime

by hyperspatializing your metaphors

and your point of view

through psychedelic symbiosis

with the plants that are pouring this hyperdimensional

diamond vision into the mind of anyone

who will detoxify themselves from history

and linear thinking

and but open themselves

to the presence of the transformative mystery

that is going to leave this planet

unrecognizable to us within our lifetime.

And I think it raises a lot of questions

and yours is first.

Please, oh, oh wait, is there a microphone

or is that for thoughtfully anticipated?

Just repeat it.

I'll repeat it.

Okay, are there any northern hemisphere, western herbs

that would have this that we would have access to?

The answer is yes, yes.

Repeat the question.

The question is, are there herbs

in the temperate zone that contain DMT?

And yes, there are certain grasses,

Phalaris arundinaceae, Phalaris tuberosa.

These can be ordered from plant dealers

or gotten, ironically enough,

from agricultural experiment stations

because these are some pasturage grasses.

A lot of people are doing wonderful work right now

learning how to make DMT preparations

out of native plants.

The mature Phalaris graft is very diffuse, the DMT.

So what people are doing is they're getting the seeds

and they're sprouting them in a sprouter.

And then they're taking the sprouted seeds

and air drying them.

Well, you can imagine how powdery sprouts become.

Well, then you can powder up a handful of these sprouts

and roll a twin of that into a bomb

and come very, very close to the flash point.

The other thing, I mean,

since I'm talking to recipe-oriented nutrition,

the other thing you need to understand

if you want to work in this area

is that the DMT can ordinarily not be taken orally

because there is an enzyme system in your intestines

called the monoamine oxidase system

and it will destroy the DMT.

But the good news is

there are certain compounds

called monoamine oxidase inhibitors.

Didn't you know it?

If you take a monoamine oxidase inhibitor

and then you take DMT,

the DMT will survive the gut

and pass into the bloodstream

and pass the blood-brain barrier.

So here is a very important piece

of practical information I'm about to give you.

If you want to inhibit your monoamine oxidase

in order to make DMT trips longer

or mushroom trips longer and more intense

or to activate DMT if you only have a little bit of it,

then what you should get are the seeds of pergamum harmula.

P-E-R-G-A-M-U-M pergamum harmula, H-A-R-M-A-L-A.

You can either order it under that name for the seed either

or go to an Iranian market

and buy what is called harmal, H-A-R-M-A-L.

This is simply pergamum harmula's seed.

They use it as an incense to irrigate wounds.

But two grams, don't take more,

two grams of this

macerated in a mortar and pestle

with spring water taken from a spring

at the new moon near a crossroads

will inhibit your MAO.

It will inhibit your MAO.

Consequently, then when you smoke

the bomber of Solaris dust,

it will grab on.

Or you can even smoke mushrooms then

and they will grab on.

So knowing how to inhibit MAO

it's one of the key techniques

in this kind of herbal shamanic magic.

Other plants that contain DMT

and here's one you all should be aware of

because it's probably right around here

is Desmanthus allinoiensis,

Illinois bundle weed.

It's a rank weed.

I've not seen it except in the dry form.

But people have grown hundreds of pounds

of this stuff in a few months.

And the root bark

has the highest concentration of DMT

ever measured in any plant.

It's higher than the ayahuasca adenix

used in the anazons.

Pardon?

In the root bark.

The root bark.

You dry the root

and then spray the bark off

and you'll get this reddish root bark.

The red is actually the DMT.

Varola trees in the anazons

shed DMT in their sap.

And it's always a blood red sap.

And to show you how strong it is,

the Indians in the anazons,

some of the tribes,

they roll their arrow points

directly into that sap.

And it's a paralytic poison

in the bloodstream of monkeys

and small animals.

So there is a great deal of work

that's being done right now

and you should,

if you're of an experimental

and herbal and alchemical

and magical bent,

people are creating

what they call ayahuasca analogs.

This is where you use local plants

to create a brew

which is chemically equivalent

to an Amazonian halosagin.

And of course,

you have the satisfaction

that it's yours.

It's your magical recipe.

No one on earth

is doing quite what you've got.

And it's very,

a lot of interesting work

is being done

and you'll hear more about this.

In fact,

Jonathan Ott just wrote a book

called Ayahuasca Analog

in which the state of the art

is spelled out

and it would be worth your while

to check that out

if you're an experimentalist.

Yeah.

The question is,

is there a more,

is there a simple reagent test

for the presence of DMT?

The answer is,

sort of.

You can do

a paper chromatographic

test

and all you need

is a little UV light

and some chromatography paper

and some solvent dishes.

I mean,

it's at the level

of 7th grade science.

project. Yes, I don't know how much I should say on this subject. I'm probably about to

say too much. But at one gathering I go to, one of the people who's a very regular part

of that particular posse is a wheat breeder. So when he heard about the phalaris, he was

a geneticist and a wheat breeder. And he has been working very quietly on his own to

produce a super strange of phalaris. And I think we will soon be super strange because

the underground community is incredibly creative in this area. The compound I talked about yesterday,

Salvia de Venorm, that's all underground work. Brett Blosser, the anthropologist who discovered

it is a complete freak. The guy, the chemist who extracted it, who would prefer I don't

put out his name, is a complete freak. And the people who then did the confirmation studies,

my brother and his band of performing pharmacologists. So we actually, we do not take ourselves seriously

enough. I mean, we have our scientists, we have our philosophers, we have our thinkers, our legal

experts. We are a complete community. And it's no longer in my mind even necessary to publish

in straight journals and to speak a pat on the head from, you know, the American Pharmacology

community. Um, they don't understand what these things are foreign. Yes.

Yes, I'll repeat this, um, and strengthen once again my case to the guy who owns the company that he

should pay me. Um, if you want a catalog of extremely rare and useful psychoactive and

magical plants, probably the most complete in the world. The company is called Of The Jungle.

P.O. Box 1801, Sebastopol, S-E-D-A-S-O-P-O-L, California 95472. Write and ask for a catalog.

Tell them George Bush sent you.

Now I'm teasing. Don't tell them that, they won't send you the catalog.

Do you have a box number number?

1801 is the box number. Yeah.

Do you, uh, uh, do you run the art of reading?

I haven't. Uh, I have so much reading to do that I tend to restrict my reading to non-fiction.

I have a group.

Do you know that there's something, uh, of use? At least not up to morning.

You see you from the, uh, machine-like talks.

You talk about the gaining state of lucid reading the inorganic being,

and you can see two kinds of satellite engineers and one of them are grappling energy and other

kinds of physical energy to be so prepared with the green and they're intervening

and meaning actually i have a very similar description in the very patient's company

company by w.i.s again i think it's highly remarkable that the two would be so close

as a metaphor maker no i think the teachings of don juan is a tremendous look

i am very suspicious of some of his later stuff it's interesting what you said because you know

the famous crow transformation in the teachings of don juan has been traced and i'm sure many of you

know this book has been traced to george mcdonald's book through the gates of the silver key

and and george mcdonald was a friend of evan finn so i think what we're getting here is a mining of late

19th century english folklore by castaneda nevertheless the presence of these small entities has been a

part of folklore for a long long time uh elemental types what puzzles me about what puzzles me i guess

is i've spent a lot of time in this magical literature and and art historical area and the

descriptions don't quite match i can't quite convince myself that the the the stripes the

apree the nixies the gynns that these creatures of the woodland fay are the same thing or i don't

know whether i am contaminated by an early love of science fiction

and well again close but no bananas uh there's all these popular aliens that are running around you

know the wiggies three boys and all these things are are much more mundane than what i encountered

that's what i encountered was terrifyingly not human terrifyingly alien and i i just do not quite

get and i'll go back and see who's into it they're always saying i don't know they're very sort of cut

and dried about it and when i encounter an extraterrestrial alien or a creature from another dimension

the main thing that's happening for me is the invitations is blowing my mind they don't they

seem totally into the invitations yeah screen well a sufficient amount of dmt is smoked uh uh west of

the pacific coast highway that it wouldn't surprise me uh if the writers of star trek i mean uh were on to

this um yes what and what i what is not much talked about the part of the experience which is anomalous and

maybe people who know more about magical literature than i do can correct me but this what the elves are

really interested in is this stuff which i call visible language that's the whole point of the encounter

is to exhibit it and to get you to do it well now first of all think for a minute about ordinary language

it's really weird it's the weirdest thing we do i mean if you were looking for the thumbprint of god

on creation human language would be a good candidate because look we're supposed to be some kind of

animal who just went a little further than the next guy but to get out of that shakespeare and milton is a

pretty amazing topic and hardly to speak of the mathematical languages that we generate so something

happened some people think only 35 000 years ago imagine that's true i mean i don't care some people say

say 150 000 years ago but to speak to take small mouth noises and to turn them into signifiers

for symbols and relationships uh in spite of some people's enthusiasm for the take-ins and dolphins i just

am not so overwhelmed by the evidence i mean it to me you know it is a miracle to be able to speak

it is a miracle i mean when colbridge wrote and south and south and southward i we fled

and it grew wondrous cold and ice mass high went floating by as green as emerald

and that's language and uh it's magic and we have a fascination then we also paint then we sculpt then we

write then we create electronic databases then film television clearly what we want to do is we want to

communicate visually and these things are saying there's a way to do it let's do it and i don't

understand do we all have to be loaded on dmt all the time can you learn to do this the gentleman who

asked about dreams here's a piece of information that is critical in this jigsaw puzzle if you have smoked

dmt at any time in the past it is possible to have a dream in which people are running around and you're

checked into the mars hotel and the luggage is lost and this and that and in the middle of all that

someone drags out a little glass of pipe and hands it to you it will happen it will happen in the dream not

a memory not a simulacrum it will really happen well now to me that's an amazing piece of data because what

it's saying is you can do it on the match you may have to be dead asleep but still on the match it can be done and the lucid dreamers

the biofeedback people the people who claim these wonderful things that you can do with sleep and dream and

programming i challenge them teach people to have dmt dreams in their sleep and then let's figure out how to drag that puppy

into the light so that we can do it at will on the match one just one second one thing that i have come to

believe is that we remember no more than five percent of our dreams and it's the most mundane five percent

i think uh and there's scientific evidence to support this remember i said dmt is in the human brain well it

concentrates in the human cerebrospinal fluid on a 24-hour cycle and it reaches its peak of concentration

between 3 and 4 a.m in most people that's when the deep REM sleep is happening when you give somebody

dmt they they lay back they close their eyes and the way you the guide the sitter i don't like the word

guide you the sitter the way you can tell that they're getting off is their eyes dart wildly behind

their closed eyelids it means they're in REM they're in REM sleep they've been immediately shoved into

deep dreaming so i believe that what dmt is doing in normal human metabolism is it mediates the descent

the spiral descent into dream and that every single night we are reunited with the founderless oceanic

mystery of being that we are so frantic about in waking life that's so distant from and that if we could in

fact just engineer a drug that would allow us to remain fully conscious as we drift deeper into dream

we would need no other drug or substance that that's where we want to go and i think that's where history

is headed what the archaic revival is about is the revivification of the aboriginal dream time we are

going to live we are going to live in the imagination we are preparing to decamp the three-dimensional space i mean

yes the earth is the cradle of the human race but you don't stay in the cradle forever you know and

and it's something like going into dream it's something like taking the hyper technical virtual reality

internet head of the snake and inserting the shamanic late paleolithic ecstatic ordiastic tale of the snake

and then you have the orophoric completion then you have uh the contestants and the work is complete

and history ends and we live then in the light of the stone made manifest yes yes

wait a minute this first venue sort of yeah same but is there a question well it definitely has

something this mystery that we're talking about it definitely has something to do with sound

and the magical role of sound uh ayahuasca is a sort of different way of sectioning the dmt experience

because ayahuasca is orally active unfolds over hours uh is not as dramatic as dmt but the people who use

ayahuasca as a ritual on a weekly basis what their uh practice consists of is they take this stuff and then they

sing they sing like crazy and then when they stop singing and people light a cigarette and take a leak and

so forth and you're listening to these conversations you hear people say stuff about the shaman like

like i like the part with the olive drab and the silver but when it became magenta and moved

toward orange i thought he was over the top what what kind of a criticism of the fall

and the answer is film has become a visually beheld medium yes so what the reason i have the reason i'm

interested in something as techno nerdy as virtual reality is because you could you could program a

virtual reality so that when you went an iridescent blue line would be key to that to descend into the

space and i i'm very interested in environmental and electronic simulations of psychedelic states but

but we're not going to do better than the psychedelic if we can do as well it will be a miracle you see more

beauty and first wave of philocybin than the human race has produced in the past 5 000 years

and who are you you know let me check this so i thought this guy's venue and i felt his splash

that's i haven't considered that that that sounds possible i mean we're definitely coming to some

enormous and whether you think it's the cusp of cus or just a day put it up it's hard to say somebody

faxed me i got a fax right before i came here i don't know who sent it to me it was just an anonymous

fax but in huge letters it said when you strip away the height it's just another compression

it's interesting that's a good question the answer is yes and no obviously there's hardly anything

more personal than a psychedelic experience it is that kind of summation of who you are and it's viewed

through the filters of your personality nevertheless when you put a whole bunch of emt tricks together

certain things seem to emerge my notion coming at it from a sort of union attitude is if we had to

say what is the archetype of dmt the archetype is the circus it's the circus and let me say why first of all

a circus is a place of wild exotic activity and it clowns are you don't have a circus without clowns

and uh clowns are wonderful for children a circus is a wonderful place for a child dmt there is something

very very weirdly childlike about it in a very unchildish way uh some of you may know the third the 52nd

fragment of her apartment where he says the aeon is a child at play with colored balls the aeon is the child

that you encounter in the outdoor uh so uh but the circus has other connotations of simply the three rings and the clowns

uh eros is present entwined with samatar in the form of the nearly naked lady in the tiny spangled costume

who is working without nets hanging by her teeth up near the top of the big tent and personally my

my earliest experience of heroes was that lady in the tiny spangled costume i was so small i was wrapped

up in something and being held and i was horny as hell so there's that and then there is also radiating off

from the central ring the freak show the ghost face boy the lady in the bottle and uh you know the

three-toed alligator kid and all of that that's there the wiggy weird kinky strange alien stuff and then

if you think about the archetype not so much of the circus but of the carnival the carnival represents

a breakthrough from another dimension because you live in some uh jerk water town and in some i almost

said iowa but like normal and then the carnival comes to town and children are told you can't stay

out and pray the carny people are in town and does it mean well they may

fuck differently than we do they may steal things they're not like us they've had more than one

marriage some of them uh and then the carnival people are there and the hoochie coochie dancers

and the whole thing and then they folded it up and they go away just like a bmd trip and every little boy

and girl in the world worth their salt wanted to join the circus and go away with the tattooed lady and

the tigers and all that so it is the archetype of the circus so then i i've seen many many people

take dmc and some get what i get which is it's sort of gone beyond the circus it's the circus that the

circus has presented on the neville ganubi crime or something like that but one woman was an

anthropologist who i think got a such threshold dose she had a very interesting trip because it was a

light trip but with no profiting from me she said i was at a carnival midway but it was after hours

there was nobody there and there were just those ice cream those square papers for holding ice

chambers blowing in the wind and getting caught some shameless fences it was like a sub-threshold dose

well then if she'd done more she would have arrived there eight hours earlier and if she'd done yet

another joke it would have moved off into the zone of the truly weird that's why i love the film of

that's why i don't want to tell you to do it nasally because it might be a really stinging

thing that i don't want to tell you to do it nasally because it might be a really stinging

experience well then you could do it i'm working on something i'll describe it to you

uh i'm having a glass blower make a thing which has a chamber with a pipe stem coming off it but it

has another stem 180 degrees around the chamber coming off it that breaks into two prongs and what

you do is you hit the dmt you insert the two prongs up your nose and you have a grand blow on the other

outlet and it will force the entire contents of the vessel the entire load of white smoke

but you know don't try this at home

you know there are old pharmacologists and bold pharmacologists but there are no old

there are antidepressants that are maol inhibitors that's right but i wouldn't use them for this

purpose because what you want is what's called a reversible maol inhibitor and carmine which is in the

carmine or carmine which is in the syrian roux is a reversible maol inhibitor reversible in four to six

hours some of these antidepressants inhibit every molecule of maol in your body for up to three weeks

and that's why when they give you those antidepressants they tell you the long list is don't you know no

chocolate no red wine no soft cheese no lentils no this that's the list of opioids containing food

and if you are on the monolamine oxidase inhibiting antidepressants and you eat a bunch of camel bear

with your yucky friends you'll probably have to be roped down for a while before you straighten it

yeah how's uh dmt experience compared to those you've had on what substances which might be familiar

from us like psychedelic mushrooms and lsd he said that how does dmt compare to more familiar

psychedelics like mushrooms and lsd if you the thing let me say this about mushrooms i mean i really

mushrooms are my thing i mean that they enlightened me they straightened me out they love me

but the way to do mushrooms is the very first move if you're interested in mushrooms is for god's

say buy a scale buy a scale i mean you wouldn't think that this would be considered such an exotic

suggestion to people who are going to put their bodies and minds on the line because people don't

take enough people do not take enough mushrooms they take this phantom out and then they claim that

they're initiate them you must take a measured five dried grams on an empty stomach measured and when you see

what that is you'll realize that you know you weren't even camped in the atrium you were camped in the drying way

and uh mushrooms to my in some ways i mean dmt is the most terrifying and astonishing thing in the universe

but it's very hard to know what to do with it uh psilocybin is your friend it wants to teach it will

take you by the hand and forgive you and lead you and be with you and uh it speaks this is the amazing thing

and you're hearing this from you know somebody who graduated from heidegger and fh bradley it speaks

no other psychedelic does that in my experience occasionally a phrase will pop into your head

on another substance that is like a gift but i mean psilocybin raised it's raised and it has positions

you may not like psilocybin as a person because it is not it the astonishing thing about the psilocybin

an entity, to my mind, and I get good confirmation of this, is it is not very earthly. I mean,

it wants to show you machines the size of Manhattan in orbit around alien stars. It wants to talk

about the sweep through of the which happened before the earth cooled, and it, you know,

has seen the empires of the Raul out of the rim and all the rest of it. And it's very puzzling,

this cosmic galactarian tone, because then you switch over to ayahuasca, which is literally

just a twist of the molecule, just a tiny sweeping of the molecule, and suddenly it's

about childbirth, rivers, the lamb, the feminine, looking inside your body, curing diseases,

feeling, telepathy, communication. It could hardly be more different, and yet chemically

these things are like two sides of the same coin. So, just to sum this up and put a kind

of a classifier on it. I am not very, I am not very interested in drugs, per se. I've

done a lot of them, bad ones, good ones, and people do drugs for fun and for stupid reasons,

but there is this tiny cynical family, the tryptamine, palestinogens, psilocybin, and DMT, and then

some artificial co-changers, and five methotes on there too, which I am not that fond of. But

this is the doorway, it's the umbilicus of this world. These are things which are called drugs, because that's the

the category we have for things which make the world unrecognizable. But these are

not your own. They are magical doorways into staggeringly titanic dimensions of

gnosis, power, information, understanding, and dimensions filled with affection for humanity. So,

uh, I, I, people say, well you think drugs should be legalized. Yeah, but that's the political

opinion of Karen from Kenneth. It's just a guy like you. But this stuff about the, the tryptamine is a real

discovery. And you can think what you like about me and my take on it. In fact, please do. But check it out. Check it out.

Because I've, I've checked out lots of stuff. And this is the only thing I'm interested in telling you. Check it out.

Yes? Well, um, granted that, uh, at the time, since the end was a myth that didn't manifest, but ten years later, I still grew up in, like,

psychedelic abundant. But, we had heard all about DMT and sort of stuff, STP, but no one ever thought. How come? I mean, I didn't live on that

I don't understand that, the answer to that question. It is, it's, it's magical. It is a, it's a secret, which keeps

itself. I mean, I, I, I, here I am. There are 200 people here, whatever. And I do this all the time. And I have not, so far as I can

tell, been able to launch an avalanche of DMT. I'm drunk. Drug experiences. I've had some amount of success with it. If

anybody would, who's done DMT would want to try it, I can run you through the techniques. Have you done DMT? No. I'd be interested. I'm, I'm very, I mean, I am, I urge you to it, but I'm

very, uh, skeptical. Yeah. And mind machines, too. I mean, I've done them all, and, you know, 10 minutes of it, and you're

lying there thinking, like, God, I'd like to go to a big joint.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.

And I, I mean, I, you're, I, I just, I just, I just, I just a question. So if I were still

just 20 of you once again, I know this is a real interest in things that's right that people

that are most needed and I just reading about you, and they're doing my hospitals, uh, we're

trying to replace school, and again, it's cool to have a last, but I'm not the nose. You know,

people notice things like that, and they know, it's, you know, it's kind of down you're

Sure it is.

That's a great idea.

And make a picture of this exactly?

Yes.

See this lady.

That would be really amazing just so you know what you're going to say.

No, but if you concentrate it into DMT then DMT is against the law.

Well, but it's against the law thing.

Let me talk a minute about that.

How can it be against the law if you have it in every brain walking around?

You're putting yourself at great legal risk.

However, see things like psilocybin and DMT, the reason they're illegal is because there was panic in California in 1966.

The California Assembly ran through the anti-drug law and all these things were named but no medical or scientific data was offered to show there was anything wrong with them.

Basically, they were guilty as charged because they caused hallucinations.

Well then, about three months later, the feds decided there needed to be a federal anti-hellicinogen law and they simply imported the California statute directly into federal law.

So, it is conceivable that if one had enough money and it takes a lot of money, you could force a reexamination of the drug laws by simply saying,

number one, there is no scientific evidence that there's anything wrong with DMT.

Number two, there's plenty of scientific evidence that DMT occurs normally in human metabolism.

and how therefore can it be kept illegal but it takes the right time?

Unless the plan is specifically named but the Attorney General, at his own discretion,

can add those plans to the schedule list without asking them.

Yes, please.

No, it's economically driven. I mean, if you have DMT, you could sell a mountain of it.

You don't get any repeat customers because if you sell somebody a gram, that's plenty of it.

Most people set half of it aside for their great-grandchildren.

This is not a drug of abuse, let me point that out to you.

It's sort of a drug of anti-abuse. I know people who say, you ask, what's your favorite drug?

Oh, DMT, love it, love it.

Say, well, when did you do it last?

Well, then you say, yay, but I'm still processing.

Yohembain. Is that what you asked about?

I'm not sure that Yohembain is an MAO inhibitor.

You should look it up in the Merck Manual, and that's what it always does.

There are many things which are weak MAO inhibitors.

Yes.

The easiest source for an MAO inhibitor, though, is the Pagamen Harmelin.

And also, there is a plant in North America.

Oh, no, I'm sorry. It also is Pagamen Harmelin.

Pagamen Harmelin grows over vast areas of New Mexico, Nevada, and it yields a bright yellow dye,

which is actually the Harnene itself, is the dye panel.

Yeah.

As one who survived somehow more than two decades of all kinds of things, and felt good.

For me personally, it was an issue that I had to clean up.

Um, I heard nobody bring up, and you have not brought up,

the possibility or concern in any way of concerning this.

I would like to hear from you, though.

Well, we should certainly talk about casualties and dangers.

Addiction doesn't really figure in here in the ordinary sense of, like, opiate and nicotine addiction.

Uh, you know, cannabis is the most addicting of these minor and near psychedelics,

and it's only psychologically addicting.

I mean, I found this out because a couple of years ago I actually quit for two months

after not drawing an unstown breath for 25 years.

And, uh, all that happened was that I read more.

And it's not clear that that's my problem.

So, uh, but danger we need to talk about.

And that brings up the question, how should one do these things?

How can you do it and gain maximum benefit and minimum wear and care on your psyche and your body?

The first thing is inform yourself.

Inform yourself.

Uh, the first stop on the psychedelic trip is the library.

There are very, very deep books on these subjects.

On the anthropology, the pharmacology, the psychology, the quantum mechanics of drug activity.

Inform yourself.

And then it's not about taking every drug in the book.

And, you know, people reel them off.

They say, well, I did junk, I did this, I did that.

It's no point.

You don't get points for that.

What you have to do is, and here's the piece straight out of Chastanagan,

you have to find your allowance.

You have to find what works for you.

And if you think that you're out of debt or a plan and you have a horrible experience,

you don't really need to go back and back.

The other thing is, danger lies in the direction of combination.

These are called synergies by pharmacologists.

And if you, if your idea of a big evening is to, you know, shoot a hundred milliliters of ketamine,

and then drop some MDMA, and a little 2CB an hour later,

and then bring on some acids of undetermined provenance, and so forth,

and then, and I said, well, how was it?

They say, hey, it was far.

But the point is, this can never be reproduced, and these things are very dangerous.

They synergize each other in unexpected ways.

I mean, my God, that psilocybin and DMT have never been studied.

Do you think their relationship to Romolar and Nargill has been looked at very carefully?

I don't think so.

But then, how to take it?

And I, I represent a factor on that.

I believe that you should take it with a, how can I put it,

with as little company as you can stand, basically.

A lot of people like group work.

I don't.

But then, I don't like groups generally.

I mean, I'm basically a loner.

And I, I, if I take psychedelics with somebody, I worry.

I worry about them.

And, and I, and it keeps me on the surface.

And I've had many psychedelic experiences where, in the middle of it, it has passed through my mind.

Gee, I'm sure glad nobody is here to see this.

Because I'm sure it would alarm them.

And then we have a crisis.

So, my style, I mean, I think, I'll take anything, basically, in a low dose and hang out.

It's something interesting that's going on.

But the serious stuff goes on in darkness, in silence.

And that's people go through the roof.

They mean you don't even listen to music?

That's right.

In darkness, in silence, in a comfortable state.

And that may mean in your apartment in Manhattan.

Or it may mean up a tree in Yosemite.

Whatever your thing is.

And then, I, I, I always use cannabis.

Cannabis is your navigation tool, your reality check, your everything.

I roll up the bombers and I lay them out in front of me.

And I have my mojo bag and a few things like that.

I, I, from the moment I take it, I'm in sacral space.

And this isn't even a rule followed in the Amazon.

I mean, it totally blew my mind.

In some ayahuasca circles, people would sit around talking and talking.

Then everybody would take ayahuasca.

And there would be a sacral ceremonial moment.

Everybody would take the ayahuasca.

And then, yak, yak, yak.

And motorcycle park saying, what are the missionaries up to?

And who is everyone who?

And yak, yak, yak.

And then at 30 minutes on the dock, the shaman would begin to whistle.

Everybody would shut up.

And within a minute, we'd be gone.

But the way I like to do it, and this is a good Catholic message.

I take it, and then I sit in my space, and I carry out what in Catechism class we were taught is called an examination of conscience.

This is where you think about all the ways you've screwed up and all the people you've screwed over, and you basically anticipate a bad trip, is what it is.

What is the worst thing that could happen to me on this trip based on my current state of my psyche and my relationships with other people?

Well, by the time this stuff actually begins to work, you don't.

And, you know, some people say they take mushrooms and within 20 minutes we were tripping hard, tripping hard.

I don't understand what that is about.

It takes an hour and 20 minutes on the dock.

It always has.

I don't expect it to ever come faster.

And I get into a kind of a zone where it's like it's nibbling at the edges, but not quite manifest.

And then I smoke the first vomit.

And usually that brings it in.

That brings it in.

And I also, I speak to it.

I speak to it.

I invoke it, I suppose.

And in my own way, I don't know if it will pass Garnerian mustard, but I say to it, I say, show yourself.

Show yourself.

And it's very, at that point, it's very erotic.

It's like a veil dance, is what it is.

It is a veil dance.

The girlfriend in the other dimension, the mushroom, once I said to her, I don't remember that,

once I said to her, I said, what should I call you?

And she said, call me Dorothy.

So I invoke it, and it comes.

And then, and then we're off.

And sometimes it's easy and loving, and sometimes it's different.

I remember one very epic trip I had where I had tossed out a big compost pile from growing mushrooms years ago in another country.

It actually was the path of life, I'm now recalling.

But anyway, I tossed out this stuff, and this thing grew this humongous mushroom.

And I had taken mushrooms the previous Saturday.

I had taken a full dose, which is five dried grams.

So I thought, I want to take mushrooms again this Saturday.

But I think I may have picked up a tolerance.

So I'll just take nine grams.

And this is where the learning takes place.

The mistakes.

Treasure your mistakes.

So the thing is, like I'm sitting there, and suddenly I realize, oh my God, it's coming at me.

It's a hundred miles wide.

It's ten miles high.

And it's just rolling toward me.

And I barely had time to lay down.

That's how fast it, and a voice is, you know.

Yeah.

Prepare, the storm is about to hit the beach.

And I lay down, and it was just, it was like a tornado hitting.

And at one point, I opened my eyes, and there was this woman in a full bondage.

Yeah.

You know, piercings, and rubber panties, and the whole thing.

And I was lying there between her legs.

That she was standing upright.

And she put her face right down there to mine.

And she said,

Is it strong enough for you, asshole?

To which I replied,

Yes.

And she said, and then she said,

They say it helps to close your eyes, cowboy.

And I later, in thinking about that trip,

I realized the reason the goddess, the reason the mushroom that dressed me as cowboy,

is because that's, most people mushrooms have met, have been cowboys and cowgirls.

Because they're the people who follow the cows.

And most people have encountered this thing in the past.

You know, Maria Sabina, the mushroom shamaness of Oaxaca, claimed not to have been initiated.

She claimed that as a child left to watch the sheep and the cows, she had been hungry.

And had gotten into eating mushrooms.

So, I haven't lost my cred.

This is a safety course.

I haven't forgotten that.

Once you get launched out in there,

then there are tricks for navigation.

And the two tricks that are indispensable,

number one, I've already told you,

have cannabis ready.

Because if you get into a place that you don't like,

you can jet out of there by just taking a talk or two.

The other thing is, if you get into a place you don't like,

chance.

Don't do what most taunties do,

which is scrunch in the fetal position.

Say, Miles, I can stand this.

How many hours is this drumming?

Don't do that.

Sit up, take a breath, and belt it out.

Drumming too.

But I really think it's important to oxygenate your body.

It's very important to move the breath through.

And there are hard places.

If there weren't hard places,

people wouldn't be so terrified of this stuff.

So when you get to a hard place,

first of all, don't be an idiot.

Don't abandon yourself to fear

just because somebody put something ugly in front of you.

And if people put something ugly in front of you every day

and all you say is yuck.

So there's also words there.

I mean, there are strange voices

and we each have our own private hills.

I mean, there's a place I go to nearly on every Ayahuasca trip

that I call the meat blocker.

And, you know, the less said about it.

The less said about it.

But every time I feel it begins to swerve at it,

you say, uh-oh, time to fire up a little Sanzania here.

You know, the same one, the no meat blockers.

Yeah.

I fast.

I don't call it fasting.

I just don't eat for six hours.

Empty your stomach.

And then the other thing is

you should, your stomach should be empty.

Well, throughout.

And then at the end of the,

the way I do it is I usually start about eight at night.

I'm alone always.

And I go till one.

And by one, it's over.

And then what I do is I eat a bowl of granola

or something like that.

Don't sleep on an empty stomach.

Don't.

Because then you'll wake up the next morning

raw and rocky.

And it's not that the mushroom did that.

It's that you slept with a protein,

with a protein dip.

So, so then eat your favorite food

at the end of the trip.

What are some records that we have

that outside of these communities

that we use a black clinic?

Well,

MVMA is a cyclotized amphetamine.

It's a, it's a, a, a, a,

and what are called ampathogens.

There are drugs which encourage exchange of feelings

and that sort of thing.

Under rare circumstances,

you can squeeze a kind of wobbling hallucination out of it.

But it's not, it's, it's, it's purpose.

I think it's different.

It's for sorting out relationships,

assisted psychotherapy,

and having a good time.

But it, it would be crazy to take MDMA as a hallucinogen

because it, it's like entering a bicycle in a Ferrari race.

You know?

They're just much superior.

And let me say about this.

I mean, everything is my personal bias here.

A lot of people have said,

you're a hallucination nut.

You're obsessed with hallucination.

I freely admit it.

The reason I was underwhelmed by LSD,

I mean, I liked it.

And it was certainly engaging.

But I could never hallucinate the way I wanted to.

I'd read Havelock Ellis.

I wanted to see, you know,

the phosphorescent palaces,

the naked maidens,

the silk brocades,

the alien worlds,

vision.

And LSD, these thoughts about things,

funny ideas,

strange, it's hard to get vision

until you smoke black Bombay hash.

That works.

But I will defend my obsession with vision.

I think the world wants to be seen.

I think Blake was right

that the divine imagination

in something be held.

And for me,

the visions are the proof

that this is not my mind.

And the visions are the proof

that this is not simply chemical chaos

in the nervous system.

I mean, how could chemical chaos

give you something as breathtakingly beautiful

and as ordered as the Sistine Chapel

or the World Trade Center?

I mean, the hallucinations are extraordinarily

ordered and beautiful.

And I think that this is the proof

that we are reaching beyond the confines

of the human personality

and even the human species.

That this information,

don't ask me how,

is somehow holographically deployed

throughout space.

and you tune it in.

You tune it in.

So I care about vision.

And if a drug doesn't cause vision,

I tend to put it lower on my lips.

I smoke a lot of cannabis.

I think.

That's why I do cannabis.

I think on it.

And I think several hours a day

when I'm able to.

But the visual thing is for me

to be in the presence of the mystery

is to be in the presence of the hallucination.

To me, the word hallucination

has no connotation of illusion.

It comes from a Greek root

and what it means is to wander in the mind.

That's what hallucination is.

It's a wandering in the mind.

Yeah.

Is it curious what the doses of LSD you took

that you didn't have in the connection with?

Well, I took all kinds of doses.

What dose of LSD did I take?

I should be clear what I mean.

I mean, yes, on LSD,

even if eyes open,

the little things that look like open fans

that are going,

like wallpaper.

But LSD never gave me these words and textures.

It lacked meaning.

I couldn't just...

The LSD hallucinations looked to me like that.

Not in the mind.

They were more like ripples and eccentric circles

and flashes of light.

But what do you see out there?

are cities, places, palaces, machines, the stuff of cognitive content that is most expressive.

Is it theoretically possible to develop your practice and settle to the point that you can go there without the drugs?

I grant the possibility but in my heart of hearts I don't think so.

The question is can you get there on the match?

I get lots of resistance because I'm willing to say just flat out hell no.

And you know people are shocked that yoga and flagellation and being touched by poverty and whatever.

I don't know I tried it all.

And the other thing is what I'm talking about you wouldn't want to happen on the match.

These are states of serious discombobulation.

These are not mood shifts or attitudes we're talking about.

I mean if I woke up and I could do it on the match, my first phone call would be to my friend Ralph Metzner who's a shrink.

And I said Ralph, we've got a problem here.

If I may, and again I'm a guest here, I don't know even who's here or who I'm insulting.

But let me unburden myself on this subject.

Van Morrison put it very, very well.

No guru, no method, no teacher.

Just you and me and mother nature in the garden.

In the garden wet with rain.

I think all religion is a con game.

I think that all esoterica is a con game.

I think that the real secrets are self-protecting.

And that seeking is the way to find.

And take yourself more seriously.

You are the vessel, the stage, and the theater of your transformation.

The mushroom was very explicit on this point to me once.

It said, and I quote,

For one human being to seek enlightenment from another is like a grain of sand on the beach, seeking enlightenment from another grain of sand.

And my interpretation of that is that we're all as good as the best among us.

There is no hierarchy among human beings.

You know, if you've got the chromosomes, you're into the game.

And the task then is to accentuate primary experience, the here and now.

Teachings which come from far away, unsubstantiated rumors that circulate among the people.

Magicians have always worked the marketplace.

It's older than poor.

But this kind of mystery is absolutely authentic.

And having once found it, I stopped searching for other authentic mysteries.

So I don't know what lies behind the deeper levels of the khalachakra contract.

I don't know what lies behind the inner secrets of the lion kahuna.

But I do know that this one thing fulfills the bill.

It's real. And you only need one doorway to enter into the palace of the human.

The human.

So why assess about numbering your way?

That's the.

Who makes it a key?

The way they go.

Yeah.

And the sure ends the question.

Yeah.

Right.

I've actually never combined with DMT and psilocybin.

I have smoked DMT at the top of an LSD trip.

That's a young man's game.

Believe me.

If you're interested in that, hurry up.

It's like climbing the maverick horn.

What happened to me.

Well, I did it several times, but I'll tell you a story just for your education, maybe.

But I'm using it, perhaps.

I want to know if things leave with a landlord in Berkeley many years ago.

And, uh, okay, that's sufficient.

And, uh, all, everybody left one Easter vacation or Thanksgiving vacation.

And so I decided I would do this absence trip.

I'd been planning and smoke DMT at the top of the trip.

And so I did, and I did, and I had this very long involved DMT trip and the L's and all.

It was just totally out of control.

And at the very height of this thing, this woman who I rented to upstairs, who I thought had gone home to Minneapolis,

came back and arrived by cab and came pounding up the stairs with these two suitcases,

led herself into the house and ran around to my bedroom door and beat on the door.

And, you know, you don't know me that well, but if I'm 500 miles up the jungle river smoking a joint

and a thick crack 50 feet away, the first thing I do is hide the joint.

I'm a very paranoid person being, you know, on 500 miles of acid, smoking DMT and suddenly I'm in this moment.

And I literally, I had my cup kind of a coronary and I leaped off my bed and I landed on my feet.

And, you know, if you want, you may try this.

Something about this enormous splash of adrenaline added into the DMT,

added into this sudden incredible physical exertion.

It was as though I ripped the membrane.

I ripped the membrane and dropped it.

I was now standing in my room, but I had dragged the strip through with me.

And the room was full about horrific things on the floor.

And I had them, they were hanging on me like weasel people.

And I was looking for turning me around in the room.

And also, simultaneously, one of these machines had been dragged through into my bedroom.

At the same time, it was like about the sidewalk like this.

And it had all kinds, it was faceted and opalex and blasty and strange.

But what was important about it was it had that kind of a faceted top on it that was clicking pointy.

And every time it would click, it would launch a small plastic chip across the room

that had an alien letter written on it.

And these little plastic chips were ricocheting off the wall and piling up.

And I was standing, appalled, all over the wall, looking at the situation.

And then broke her knee, fell above the door again.

So I stagger over to the door, which was a sliding wooden door.

And I just threw it open.

But, and I looked at her and said.

Oh, so you're doing that, all right.

And I just slammed it all over it and I pushed my way across the roof.

And I crawled under the bed.

So I closed my eyes and I just said, I'm going to stay here until I'm dead or it's over. And I did. But it was, it was, I mean, what, you know, you're supposed to learn something about epistemology, I mean, very much.

Well, uh, this thing, which I've done several times this afternoon in various states, it's a language thing.

That's glossolalia and called speaking in tongues. But the good news is the fundies don't have any kind of monopoly on this.

Uh, speaking in tongues is as old as human beings. It's shamanic, it's paleolithic, and it's done all over the world.

And I think that, well, psilocybin will induce it spontaneously. And I think, to add to my little scenario yesterday about hunting and fucking and tripping,

which is also added in there, and talking, uh, probably long before the invention of what we call meaning, people amused each other with funny noises.

And people would say, and, and, uh, so being physiologically set up for the production of small mouth noises,

notice that language is a very primitive form of telepathy. Because here's how it works. I have an idea. I look in my dictionary.

I translate the idea into what we call English. I then move my lips and throat muscles and aspirate in a certain way.

And I send an acoustical pressure wave across the space, which enters into the holes on the side of your head.

Your brain reconstructs this acoustical wave and tries to match the incoming pattern against an inferior dictionary, which has been learned.

Now, if your dictionary and my dictionary are congruent, lo and behold, you can reconstruct my thoughts in your mind.

Now, if the thought is something fairly straightforward, like, please shut the door, ambiguity doesn't enter.

But notice that one of the most uncruel things we can do with each other is to say to somebody,

uh, would you mind explaining to me what it was that you just did?

You know? Or, would you mind explaining to me what it was that I just did?

And then they'd say, oh, shit, now the cover is blown, you know?

I haven't been painted so many that we've been meaning.

So, language, spoken language, small mouth language, is a very imperfect way of communicating.

This is why I think that, uh, the visual initiation in the DMT is they taught us language.

This is not the first initiation from the elves.

The first initiation occurred a hundred thousand years ago.

The second initiation is occurring now.

First, they gave us language.

Now they're going to show us how to make that language visible.

And, you see, if you and I both read the same piece of, the same page of a book, we can then have an enormous argument about what's written there.

But if you and I both step into a place where a piece of sculpture is being exhibited, we may argue about what the piece of sculpture means.

But we agree what it is. We see it. We see it. And when we communicate with each other and understand each other, we instinctively reach for visual metaphors.

I see what you mean. Let's hear it, Bella.

Uh, she painted a picture. Uh, his words were so beautiful.

It means that we really associate meaning with seeing something.

And, and, uh, I believe that we're on the brink of a transformation of how we communicate with each other.

And I don't know whether we're going to require a prosthesis that is electronic or something like that,

or whether, uh, we can invent drugs, which will allow us the, the cerebral cortex to switch its linguistic analysis from the audio channel to the visual channel.

It's very suggestive that these tryptamine spark is that we're on the brink of transforming our ability to communicate. Yeah.

It seems to me that I'm not, I'm not really making that sense, but what I, I, I've been, I've been allowed to do something about it.

Maybe I've been able to do something about it. Maybe I've been able to do something about it.

Maybe I've been able to do something about it, but I think I've been able to do something about it.

Well, yeah. I mean, what was said was that using LSD and having used DMT, uh, one can begin to trip into DMT like dimensions on LSD.

This certainly seems reasonable to me. I haven't had that specific experience, but there is something you can do with psilocybin.

Here's another technique if you don't like what's happening on a mushroom tree. Just say to it, B, MDMA.

And it will. No problem. You can say to it, B, LSD. And it will. It, it has no problem. I didn't try it out.

You want to be sure before you summon the genie.

Let me say one more thing about this language thing because I think nature is always our model.

No matter how deep into technology we go, nature will provide, uh, non-toxic models.

Well, it just so happens that in this area of communication, nature has provided a wonderful non-toxic model.

And that is the way in which Swift and Octopi communicate.

Swift and Octopi, as you know from watching far too much TV, can change color.

But you may think this is camouflage. It's not camouflage. Octopi change color in order to communicate. Octopi don't, uh, generate language. They are language.

When you think of an octopus, its soft body, it can fold and unfold itself like a, like a dancer and expose various parts of its body very rapidly.

It also can make its body tissues smooth and rubbery or rugose and rough.

And it can undergo all these color changes, splotches, stripes, spreading pastel, so forth and so on.

These behaviors of the octopus are under the genetic control of its linguistic intentionality.

It doesn't make words. It becomes words.

And when one octopus encounters another by the mere act of beholding each other, they say,

Aha! You haven't eaten recently. You're having too much sex. You've been traveling. And so forth and so on.

But the octopus becomes its force. It wears language on its surface, the way we wear our clothing.

And this system of the mutation is so important to the octopus that those species that have evolved into the very deep parts of the ocean,

the so-called abyssal octopi, where no light ever reaches, have evolved phosphorescent organs all over their bodies,

and eyelid-like membranes all over their bodies, so that in the absolute darkness of the abyssal ocean,

they communicate by flashing grammar and syntax to each other across the abyssal depths.

They are free in the imagination. And I think this is where we're headed.

We are headed. We are going to make that model of communication our model.

Psychedelics, technology, and visionary magic will show how this can be done.

Yes? We do that now. We blush in the ground. It's just in the research.

No, you're right. The human face is like this.

In your victory, that we wear clothing, not because that seems a higher body, but to signify.

Signify color, culture, and tension. You do that now. You're working on it.

That's right. You see, no other animal has a face. A face is like a little piece of squid skin that we're wearing,

where we can transmit all of these. Once I was in India and I was cornered.

This guy, I was loaded actually on mescaline, and this guy swam aboard my houseboat,

and normally I just would run these guys off because they were thieves and beggars.

But I was so loaded that I couldn't do anything but sit there.

And this guy came up to me and sat down across from me.